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A report straight from the Biblical Recorder informs us that a task force formed by the Board of Directors and appointed by the President of the Board just before our convention last year will recommend consolidating our giving plans back into one plan.  The buzzword of the report is; Simple with Options.

Tony Cartledge responds with;

If the proposal is passed in its present form, it is unlikely to spark either a hoped-for spike in giving from conservative churches, or a rapid exodus of moderate churches. Giving from more conservative churches will probably hold steady, however, while the ongoing decline in moderate participation will continue for a number of familiar reasons, most of which have little to do with the giving plans.

I must agree with him as I do not believe we will see any spike in giving as a result of this plan.  The reason?  The same reason conservative churches began going around the BSCNC and giving directly to the SBC in the first place–support of causes that are seen as liberal leaning.  Neither do I see a rapid exodus of moderate churches due to this giving plan.  That reason?  The same reason there has not been a rapid exodus of moderate churches to date–there is not that many churches in NC that consider themselves as moderate, it is the pastors that are moderate.  These pastors are experts at using what has, in the past, been referenced as “double-speak“.  For example, they will say to their congregation that they believe in the inspiration of scripture.  Saying such, to a uninformed church member sounds like they are saying the Bible is without error.  Why?  The average church member believes that God inspired the Scripture and it is logical that if God inspired it, then there are no errors.  However, as time moves along and the pastor begins ordaining women deacons by questioning certain texts one begins to realize their pastor does not believe the Scriptures are without error.  By the time one realizes such a thing the pastor has endeared himself to the WMU director and she is the one being considered for ordination.  As the church member responds he/she finds out the church they have been a member of for the past 20 years will disintegrate over this issue.  Besides the one that feels compelled to confront the issue also believes the Bible when it says to honor their pastor.  Thus the moderate pastor leads the church by saying something like the CBF is a good cause and then presents a plan that would allow church member to check a box that would send money to the CBF.

Concerns about the Recommendation

I see basically two concerns with this recommendation.  The first concern is the recommendation itself.  Notice what Dr. Ed Yount stated in his presentation to the BoD.

North Carolina Baptists — their multiple giving plans unique among state Baptist conventions — told the task force they wanted something less confusing, Yount said. His committee provided “a simple plan, with options.”

This is a very well articulated presentation and it deserves consideration.  However, notice the reason for this task force, as quoted in this article.

Eanes, a friend of Rogers, said his intent is, “simply to study the feasibility of the plans.”

“Are they doing what they were designed to do?” he said. “The dynamics are changing. The demographics are changing. Some of the plans have pretty significant decreases. Others have had increases. The only plan that’s had any study is Plan C. I just want to look at what we have and see if they’re working.”

This response from Brother Scott is the purpose of the Task Force as it was presented to the BoD.  Notice the amendment that was asked to be included.

David MacEachern, of Bat Cave, asked Eanes to amend his motion to declare the intention of the study would be to “move to one giving plan.” Eanes declined, saying his intent was simply to study the plans.

Brother Scott’s comments were made after Brother David’s appeal for an amendment to include this in the Task Force’s purpose.  This was not included thus, the intent of the Task Force has been expanded without proper authorization.  According to Dr. Yount their committee heard from churches that wanted something less confusing which says nothing about the feasibility of the plans being used.  If the main purpose of the Task Force was simply to study the feasibility of the plans, then how did a recommendation come out that still includes the plans?  Wouldn’t it seem reasonable that a recommendation to remove the plans that were not feasible and combine into the one plan the items that were feasible?  As it is, we are still at the same point we were last year.  We want the money but not the responsiblity to say enough is enough.

The second reason I have concerns is the CBF allocation.  However, it is not just the CBF allocation but add to that the negative designations and you still have a Plan C.  The plan that; The number of “Plan C only” churches peaked at 169 in 2006. It dropped to 160 in 2007 and is at 119 through nine months of 2008, as reported here.  Allow a simple scenario of how it could work.  A church could send their funds to the NCBSC with the box for CBF checked and then negative designate the SBC portion.  Let’s say that happens with a church that gives $10,000.00 per year.  Because they checked the CBF box then $1,000.00 goes to CBF through the NCBSC.  This leaves $9,000.00 remaining.  Other boxes that could be checked would be the Non-SBC theological education.  This $9,000.00 would then become $6,500.00, if the 2.5% is based on the original gift of $10k, which is not clear.  If the 2010 Budget Committee agrees to place Southeastern Baptist Theological College as an allocation within the budget then one could negatively designate that portion.  Thus, this would conclude with a church not supporting the Southern Baptist Convention with one red penny.  But, because the church contributed to the State’s allocated version of the Cooperative Program to the tune of $6,500.00, that church has the ability of sending a full slate of messengers to the annual convention without a dime of support going to the SBC.

However, there is a section that defines Cooperative Program giving on the Proposed 2010 MISSIONS GIFTS REMITTANCE.  This bulleted sections is below.

  • A church may choose to contribute to the Cooperative program by entering the amount of the gift in the box below.  The church may choose to negatively designate up to 3 items of the Cooperative Program budget by indicating the excluded items on the lines below.
  • Gifts which negatively designate the Baptist State Convention of NC will not be considered Cooperative Program gifts.  Gifts which negatively designate the SBC will not be reported to the SBC as qualifying gifts for SBC messenger status, but will qualify the church for BSCNC messenger status.
  • A church must congribute $420 per employee each year in order for its employees to be eligible to receive Matching Funds and Protection Benefits under the Church Annuity Plan.
  • While this explanation seems reasonable there is one thing that our committee seems to forget.  The messenger cards for the SBC comes from the SBC not from the NCBSC.  The churches not only get their messenger cards from the SBC, but when I went online to order my messenger cards they asked the amount my church gave to the SBC.  My messengers to the SBC are determined by what I tell them I give to the CP not what NCBSC reports.  Why do I say this?  Have you ever heard of http://sbds.lifeway.com/?  That is your way of entering your churches ACP and that is what the SBC follows.  If there is a difference in the state convention reporting of CP gifts and the Church’s reporting, according to Baptist Polity the Church is the one right.

    What Now?

    We go to the convention and vote for the recommendation.  If someone were to ammend this recommendation to exclude the options it may be something worth considering.  Also, it would be worth considering an amendment to separate the options from the giving plan and vote on each individually.  I am not certain that could be done because I am no Parlimentarian and it would take one to figure out how to do it.  But you can certainly rest assured that a Parlimentarian has certainly advised the BoD on how best to present this motion in order to restrict the amendments.  It is going to be an interesting convention.

    One of my favorite Andy Griffith shows was the time that Opie Taylor was loosing his money to a bigger boy. Seems this boy told Opie that he had to pay a fee to get to school each day. Opie was told that if he did not pay this fee then he had to suffer the consequences of the bigger boy beating him up. Opie tried to get around this payment by getting nickels from other people. Andy got wind of it and had Barney follow Opie for a day. Barney discovered the bigger boy shaking down Opie and reported it to Andy. Well Andy, in his classic way explained to Opie that he needed to stand up for himself and not allow this older boy to keep taking his money that should be used for his milk. Opie stood up for himself received a black eye but ended up stopping the big boy from shaking him down.

    At this year’s convention you will hear many fear statements given in order to keep the money rolling in. Opie received a black eye and North Carolina Baptist may receive some negative press. However, we must recognize the various areas where the fear card will be presented as we enter this convention.

    The Fear of Losing Autonomy

    It seems that we are at the same place in North Carolina. While we are not being “shook down” by other denominations, we are being mis-informed by the use of fear mongering. We are told by Dr. Mike Cogdill that the current giving plans “allow churches the right and privilege to decide how their money sent to the Convention should be spent“. Let me say that I love and respect Dr. Cogdill. He was my advisor when I attended Campbell and I have had him preach for me before. Our wives share the same name, and I admire him as a scholar and one that has a passion for what God has called him to do. However, he and I are in disagreement on this issue. Dr. Cogdill is promoting a false sense of autonomy in this argument. He says; “Multiple giving plans allow for Baptists of different viewpoints to be a part of this Convention and to not feel shut out“. Multiple giving plans divide the convention because it takes away the sense of following God as a group. Autonomy does not mean individualism. Working together as autonomous congregations means that we choose together and after the vote is taken we follow together what the majority said we believed was God’s leading. Feeling “shut out” is an individualistic mind-set that says to the world; “if I do not get my way then I am going home”. Using the term “shut out” says that once your words held weight and now they do not. Just because one does not take the advice of another, does not mean that one has been “shut out”. Feeling “shut out” is a term of control and what one usually means is the control one once experienced no longer is available.

    The Fear of Losing Churches

    We need to understand that churches will have to make decisions that their Pastor is currently making for them. Many Pastors direct the funds to other plans and their churches have no idea they are supporting CBF causes. There are, I believe, less than 500 churches that will leave the convention because of this move. While no one desires to see any church leave the convention, this will be a sad reality if the convention passes the motion to consolidate the plans into one. We need to ask ourselves a collective question. What is better, that we continue down the same road fussing about every item that comes our way, or do we consolidate into one giving plan and get on with God’s business of planting churches and evangelizing a lost world?

    Some will try to present the lose of churches as something that the mean conservatives are out to see. However, let’s look at churches. We did not seem to have a problem that we lost churches over the homosexual issue. You may respond that the homosexual issue was clearly Scriptural. I agree. But, isn’t unity a Scriptural mandate also? If a church cannot be united in the purpose clearly spelled out in our Articles of Incorporation; “to cooperate with the work of the Southern Baptist Convention“, then they need to leave. If a church cannot agree with that purpose, then we are doing an injustice to that church by maintaining programs that have nothing to do with the Southern Baptist Convention. We are allowing that church to live a lie and we are supporting that lie with our giving plans.

    The Fear of Losing Money

    Dr. Cogdill seems to think that we will lose money in studying something that has already been over-studied. I agree that there have been study committees before on this issue. One of our current Parliamentarians served on a study committee about the various plans. However, the issue of the study committee never has been directed as to placing these plans back into one plan. The purpose of this study group is to find a way to return us to one budget plan. The reason we have not been able to pass motions in the past for returning to one plan was the unintentional de-funding of needed missions and ministry already in place in the budget. There are some that say we will lose money because various churches will pull away from the convention. However, lets examine the current state of giving in NC. Currently, Plan C is down 30%. Other plans are already down and as a convention we are approximately $1 million behind where we were last year at this time. Take time to look at the past 4 months here in North Carolina. Every time you click on the web at the Biblical Recorder one is told of turmoil in the convention. We should expect nothing more than to be behind in our giving. It seems that churches are waiting to see how stable we are as a convention.

    We will lose money because churches that give to other plans will decide to leave the convention. You will see churches go to exclusive giving to CBF-NC and you will also hear some churches that remain questioning why we made this move. However, we will be a stable healthy convention with a fixed focus on what God wants us to do. We will not be constantly pulled back and forth trying to make moves that are politically correct in order to keep the disagreements below the surface.

    Conclusion

    There are more issues coming up at this convention than any convention that I can remember since 1991. I missed the 1998-2000 conventions, but I do not believe there were multiple issues like we are having at this one. However, we must stand united as we move forward from this convention and we must take the gospel of Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world. How can we become united? Place all giving plans into one.

    Recently I was called by the editor of the Biblical Recorder to question if there was forthcoming a motion from me concerning combining the giving plans of the North Carolina Baptist State Convention (BSCNC). In the course of the interview I made it abundantly clear that this motion did not hold with it the intention for anyone to leave the convention. While some may offer comments otherwise, I promise you my heart is clear on the intent of this motion. I honestly believe that if we are going to be united in North Carolina we must unite the giving plans. Uniting the giving plans unite NC Baptist in three ways.

    Intention

    What is the intent of those giving to the various plans? There are different ideas all across the state about who deserves what and how much each entity should get. However, as you look at the plans you find that it is more than just a disagreement on who gets what. The plans were developed and designed out of vengeance. The first division of the giving plan came because some desired to hurt SBC causes due to the Conservative Resurgence, but they did not want North Carolina affected. That plan is now called Plan B. When that plan was not doing as much as some thought it should there came forth a new plan that placed nothing in the SBC coffers and helped fund a new start-up denomination called Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, but they still did not desire to hurt North Carolina. That plan is known as Plan C. When conservatives came into leadership prominence, there was decided that another plan was needed in order to keep the conservatives from doing completely away with Plan C. This plan is known as Plan D. This plan allows for lest to go to North Carolina, but more to in-state pet projects of the Conservatives. Fruitland Bible Institute is a huge recipient of this plan. Once again, notice how this plan came about. It was done to keep the conservatives from deleting Plan C.

    Which brings me to a question. What is the intent in our giving? Do we give because we do not like something? Do we give more because we like something? In 1 Corinthians 8:3 the Apostle Paul writes under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, that the Macedonians gave to a poverty relief fund out of their own poverty. I can imagine some in the churches there in Macedonia saying, we are just as poor as those in Jerusalem we are not giving to help them. No, they gave above their ability and the Bible goes on to tell us that they pleaded with Paul to allow them the opportunity to give. It seems that we in North Carolina need to return to our intention of giving. What is the reason I lead my church to support our Cooperative Missions Giving Offering? What is the reason that you lead yours? Returning to one giving plan will unite North Carolina Baptist on intent.

    Insinuation

    What does four giving plans insinuate about North Carolina Baptist? Not only that, but what do giving plans that give directly to CBF insinuate about North Carolina Baptist? According to CBF website the BSCNC is listed as a Congregational Partner. Who knows exactly what that means. If you follow this link on Congregational Life it says the CBF will fund up to $20k of certain projects. I do not believe the BSCNC is receiving any funds from CBF. However, the insinuation that we are Partners with CBF tells the world that BSCNC is supporting the CBF in their mission through our budget.

    Let’s not leave Plan D out. What is the insinuation of Plan D? Well it tells the world that there are things going on in the BSCNC that is not acceptable. Plan D has grown the most in the past couple of years. Shouldn’t that say something to our leaders? What is going on that makes churches move their giving from Plan A to Plan D? Plan D gives less to the BSCNC but gives the same amount to the SBC as Plan A. Plan D insinuates that there is not enough votes for me to change something at the convention level so instead of pulling out altogether, I will give a nominal amount. But I do not want to hurt Fruitland and by giving to this plan I can still have a voice in the convention.

    Multiple giving plans insinuate to the world that we are not together in North Carolina. The insinuation further brings about division within the local associations and also even comes to the church. Some churches giving to Plan C do not realize they are not supporting Southern Baptist causes. Plan D was presented as a plan that would allow more SB causes to be funded. However, most churches giving to Plan D do not realize they are giving no more % to Southern Baptist causes than a church giving to Plan A.

    The insinuation of a united front is the first thing that is brought to light when you call a budget consultant to your church. I had the opportunity to use a consultant from the BSCNC to help our church make certain that our budget was doing what we desired it to do. The first thing he pointed to was the various “love” offerings we involved ourselves in. He commented that a church was not united in cause when there were small groups of people pushing for a love offering for their pet projects. What a unique concept.

    Therefore uniting the giving plans into one plan insinuates to the world that we are united. We are together in what we are about and that we plan to accomplish our tasks under a united banner.

    Mission

    What is our mission as a convention? According to our Articles of Incorporation we see two purposes of our formation.

    A. To assist the churches in their divinely appointed mission; to promote missions, evangelism, education, social services, the distribution of the Bible and sound religious literature; and to cooperate with the work of the Southern Baptist Convention; and

    B. To do any and all acts and things which may be deemed desirable or expedient for the benefit of the programs of the Convention.

    This mission should be funded through one budget. If we relegate our responsibility of education to the CBF, then let the schools be under the banner of CBF. We should not set up a separate budget in order to accommodate our purpose for education.

    I will not try to explain how we are able to have a budget designated to the CBF when our mission plainly states we are “to cooperate with the work of the Southern Baptist Convention“. Suffice it to say that a study in 2001-02 produced a decision by lawyers that this statement did not restrict us from setting up a plan giving directly to the CBF. However, I still ask the same question.

    We need to focus on our mission and it is evident from the WMU-NC’s latest move that we are not united on mission. Mrs. Ruby Fulbright, Executive Director of the WMU-NC, said in a meeting that BSCNC was focused on Evangelism and Church Planting and WMU-NC was focused on Evangelism and Social Ministry. This statement was a shock to many in the meeting. However, if you look at our budget one can see how these various mission visions compete with one another. If we had one budget then we would be able to clearly define the mission because it would be reflected in the budget. If an entity or auxiliary were then to say their mission was different we would be surprised for a reason.

    Conclusion

    Will we lose congregations if this motion passes and the study committee returns a recommendation to return to one budget? We probably will. Will we lose congregations if we continue with separate giving plans? We most definitely will. This trend has already been noted especially among churches giving to Plans B & C. Many are wondering aloud the reason we are bending over backwards trying to salvage relationships when we are constantly getting bombarded with walk outs. I have also spoken with some that desire to see these issues settled in court. What many do not realize is that the Baptist Retirement Homes of North Carolina did not allow the new trustees chosen by the BSCNC to attend their first trustee meeting. Why? BRHNC does not recognize BSCNC’s right to seat trustees. This is wrong, but I do not believe court action is the answer.  If we have one giving plan will this keep these incidents from taking place in the future? Probably not. But, if we have one giving plan we will certainly tell everyone that takes money out of the pot that those placing money in the pot are united.

    Thus, the time is now for the BSCNC to begin the process to return us to one giving plan. Whoever we lose I bid them Godspeed in their endeavors. Whoever we gain I praise God for their addition and desire to seek God’s will through their participation in the BSCNC.