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We try to be as open to God’s leading as anyone.  However, Mark Driscoll’s latest explanation of the Gift of Discernment is anything but scriptural.  Not only has this astounded me, but Driscoll astounds me in his counseling methods of telling the one he is counseling that he is going to “ask the demons questions.”(2:22 mark)

I am not certain where Driscoll received his degree for counseling.  However, he will probably say that God has called him as a counselor because he is the pastor.  That may be a legitimate response, but I can tell you for a certainty there are many pastors that do not have any clue when it comes to counseling.  I told my church when they were interviewing me that I was not a counselor.  Thus, I do not try to give counseling advice.  I will give spiritual advice, but to tell someone they were sexually abused just because I hear a voice in my mind say that or see something in my mind, means one thing–I need counseling.

It could be that Driscoll, living in the Seattle area, may desire to cut back on his coffee intake.  Since it isn’t just the voices but also the hallucinations Driscoll may remember Andrea Yates of Houston was a devout Christian who had visions and heard voices.  If you remember there was a movie entitled “Field of Dreams” that was a box office success.  The movie was about a farmer who heard a voice tell him, “build it and they will come.”  The farmer built a baseball stadium and all of these dead ballplayers came out of the corn field and entertained the crowds.

Wow!! That is all I can say if Driscoll is seriously telling us that he is seeing visions of rape, child abuse, and other such things.  Someone needs to seriously get this man some help. Certainly there are spiritual means for voices and visions.  However, in today’s society we do not need “visions” as we have the Scripture.  When the Scripture is replaced with “visions” we have just denied the sufficiency of Scripture.

It seems that Mark Driscoll has strong ties at SEBTS with her president and it seems that we were told that we can learn much from people, which we do not agree.  I wonder what I can learn from hearing this video?  Would it be helpful if the next time I am approached about counseling, instead of expressing that I am not gifted in that way, I should respond by closing my eyes and expressing the first thing that comes to my mind?

Before I am bashed because Driscoll is a Calvinist, let me make one thing clear.  His Calvinism has nothing to do with this post.  I was pleased to see that Driscoll moved from his position concerning multi-site church movement. As I perused that article I remember thinking that progress seemed to be made concerning this position.  Don’t get me wrong I was not ready for Driscoll to be the spokesman for my position, but I did feel he made some grand points.  Driscoll’s Calvinism has nothing to do with this post.  Why?  I found the above video on Phillip Johnson’s site.  So, for those of you who want to play the Calvinist-bashing card, it will not play well here.  You can play it but it will be trumped.

I close this article by making an appeal.  To those who know Mark Driscoll personally, please take him under your wings and get him help.  If you try to defend his position on counseling then you have nothing in which to criticize the “Word of Faith” movement.  If Driscoll continues in this vein we no doubt now have a Calvinist Benny Hinn on our hands.

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The Devastating Effect of a Postmodern Church Part 2

Posted by Tim Rogers on August 2, 2011
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Rev. Bill Harrell

William F. (Bill) Harrell, has been the Pastor of Abilene Baptist Church in Augusta, GA for the past 30 years.  He has served in many capacities in the Georgia Baptist Convention as well as the Southern Baptist Convention and has just completed his second eight year term on the Executive Committee of the SBC.  Brother Bill, as he is affectionately called, was vitally involved on the Executive Committee during the years of the Conservative Resurgence chairing one of the main sub-committees through which many of the necessary changes were made.  He is the preacher on Strength For Today, the television ministry of Abilene Baptist which has a potential audience of over two million people each week in Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama and Tennessee.

In Part 1 Rev. Harrell laid the foundation for his thesis.  I would encourage you to read that foundational article if you haven’t already. 

The devastating thing is that the Church has largely accepted this diminished role in society as the proper one for it to fulfill in these days.  She has done this for several reasons.  First, it is simply easier to fit in and let society define who the church is and where and how she should conduct herself.  It’s the “Oh well, I’ll just do all I can do under the present circumstances and I can do no more.”  This frame of mind simply rewards the lazy and uncommitted.  In their minds it exonerates them from the call to make a difference.  Churches like this have simply given up while at the same time trying to appear holy.  Somehow I do not think that this is what Jesus had in mind when He said, “I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

Secondly, the church in the postmodern world is being intimidated into subjection.  It seems that the only people who do not have complete freedom of speech today are the preachers and the church at large.  For fear of losing their tax-exempt status many men of God have capitulated to the postmodern god called the federal government.  I don’t find that behavior in scripture.  Suppose Elijah or Daniel or Jeremiah had taken that viewpoint?  Can you just hear them saying to God; “Well, you must understand God, the king won’t put up with that.”  So, the church today is timid about the crucial things to which it should speak with boldness.  She is religiously fulfilling a perfunctory role in society while becoming weaker and weaker all the time. Where are the men and the churches who will stand up and say with Bible in hand, “Thus saith the Lord God.”  Read more

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The Devastating Effect of a Postmodern Church Part 1

Posted by Tim Rogers on August 1, 2011
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Rev. Bill Harrell

Today I want to introduce you to the ministry of Rev. William F. Harrell.  Brother Bill has been in, and through,  the trenches of the Conservative Resurgence.  As a matter of fact, it was Brother Bill that organized the conservatives in Georgia.  After a time of getting them organized the Lord opened avenues of service for Brother Bill in the national conservative movement. This post is Part 1 of a two part series.  This is merely the introduction and the strength of this post will be evidenced tomorrow with Part 2.  Enjoy and feel free to comment.

William F. (Bill) Harrell, has been the Pastor of Abilene Baptist Church in Augusta, GA for the past 30 years.  He has served in many capacities in the Georgia Baptist Convention as well as the Southern Baptist Convention and has just completed his second eight year term on the Executive Committee of the SBC.  Brother Bill, as he is affectionately called, was vitally involved on the Executive Committee during the years of the Conservative Resurgence chairing one of the main sub-committees through which many of the necessary changes were made.  He is the preacher on Strength For Today, the television ministry of Abilene Baptist which has a potential audience of over two million people each week in Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama and Tennessee.

A casual perusal of recent history will reveal that it has not been too many years since the Church really made a difference in the way society conducted itself.  Read more

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The question of this post is spoken of in the following video featuring  Justin Taylor, Colin Hansen, and Owen Strachan.  I must admit that I am impressed with their analysis.  I also am in disagreement with some of their positions, especially relating to how a plurality of elders will maintain a church for a long period of time.  I must remind them that what they define as a plurality of elders the Bible calls deacons.  However, there is one quote by Justin Taylor that brings out a huge truth it seems many are overlooking today.

“The future of the kingdom [of God] on earth is in the local church. It’s not about [the next celebrity] but rather the ordinary work—which is extraordinary work, really—of pastors, most of them in small churches.”

Watch the video, it run about 10 minutes.  Let’s interact afterward.

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