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Dr. Albert Mohler, President of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, has released a statement concerning the movement of a group of Southern Baptist Pastors.  On May 31, 2012 a statement entitled, “A Statement of the Traditional Southern Baptist Understanding of God’s Plan of Salvation” was released to the public.  This statement was formed by a group of pastors that were concerned the majority of Southern Baptists were not represented well with the term “non-Calvinist”. We desired to positively express our position and begin a convention-wide conversation where our viewpoint would be listened to and affirmed.  As Dr. Eric Hankins said to me in one specific conversation; “if we find out that it is only you and me then we step back acknowledging we are wrong and begging the forgiveness of the convention.”  We desire to have a conversation and see this conversation produce amenable ends that will move forward the Great Commission.

A few observations concerning Dr. Mohler’s statement seem to be in order at this time.  First, Dr. Mohler’s words certainly are music to my ears.  For many years we were told there was nothing to talk about because the BF&M says all we need to say on this issue. Dr. Mohler even states as much in his response when he says;

“This means that every single Southern Baptist should be ready to work gladly with every other Southern Baptist who stands within the Baptist Faith & Message.”

It is this type of response that we are used to.  However, Dr. Mohler goes further than just hinging everything on the BF&M.  He acknowledges our concerns and even affirms our position in expressing these concerns.

Second, Dr. Mohler appears to desire a sit down.  But, whom does he desire to sit down and discuss the differences?  Dr. Patterson? Dr. Moore? Dr. Akin?  This is a group of Pastors that began this movement.  If Dr. Mohler truly desires to sit down and discuss this issue, it needs to take place, at the least, with the pastors whose names are on the document.

Third, Dr. Mohler is very affirmative in his acknowledgment of the rights we posses as individual Baptists to place our convictions on paper.  Thank you Dr. Mohler because we have seen statements from others questioning our motives in placing this before the convention.  You have not questioned our motives and for that I do thank you.

As to my position on Dr. Mohler’s statement, I would affirm him in a positive way.  He truly seems to try and acknowledge our position.  However, it is that very issue that brings a halt in my spirit in his assessment.  I hesitate to heap too many accolades on his statement for three reasons.

First his warning against “theological tribalism”. Read more

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Answering the Questions–SBC Name Change

Posted by Tim Rogers on September 21, 2011
Posted in AnnouncementSBC PresidentSouthern Baptist Convention  | Tagged With: , , | 4 Comments

“1) Is it a good idea, that is, is there value in considering a name change? 2) If so, what would be a good name to suggest? 3) What would be the potential legal ramifications of a name change? 4) What would be the potential financial implications?”

The above questions are the four questions Dr. Bryant Wright placed before the unofficial task force for their consideration.  These task force members are acting on their own as a service, not to the President of the SBC, but to another Southern Baptist.  According to Dr. Jimmy Draper Southern Baptists have his word that no convention funds will be used to pay for task force items.  This guarantee seems to be too open as some on the task force are denominational employees.  For example, are they using their travel expenses provided by the entity and funded through the CP to pay their ways to the meetings? Are they using office time and personnel to plan, coordinate, and contact others?  All these situations are convention funds.  With that, I want to examine the questions and then give a brief position.

1.) Is it a good idea, that is, is there value in considering a name change?

It seems this is not even a real question.  Let’s face it, Dr. Draper was the person back in the 1970′s that began suggesting a name change.  Of course with the task force not being considered an official committee maybe this will die the death of other moves to bring about a name change.  However, I doubt it as the word is out the “old guard” is on board with this thing.  But, let us try to answer this question.

Is there value in considering a name change?  It depends on how you are looking at this issue.  If one observes the arguments the main one is the church planting situation.  We have the Executive Director of New York already saying regardless of what happens the work in New York will continueRead more

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Surprised by a Hero of Mine

Posted by Tim Rogers on July 28, 2011
Posted in Dr. James MerrittSBC President  | 21 Comments

I have followed many of the leaders of our convention and few have surprised me with their personal lives.  Though, I have not met all of those who are leaders in our convention, I have met some and those I have come to know have integrity and would never promote anything that is questionable.  Well, I have not met Dr. James Merritt personally but I sat in a class that he taught once in Orlando.  I was very impressed with his conviction and his oratory skills to get his point across.  While I was impressed by him then, today I am disappointed and very concerned.  Check out the video below and then see if you agree that my questions are some that should be asked.

[vimeo http://vimeo.com/21867437]

First, Dr. Merritt seems to be promoting a questionable, already fined, ponzi scheme using the auditorium at Cross Pointe Church.  Of course Cross Pointe Church is an autonomous body and that is their business.  However, this is certainly not the kind of conference that I am used to seeing Dr. Merritt support and promote.

Second, Dr. Merritt, at around the 3 minute point, expresses how he counsels people at the end of the service concerning financial needs.  I am not understanding how Dr. Merritt believes this financial scheme helps people better than sound scriptural advice. According to Dr. Merritt’s statement instead of expressing the Gospel and how people can be set free financially by adhering to the clear teaching of scripture he asks for 30 minutes of their time to sign them up as an employee of his.

Third, Dr. Merritt gives his word that this business has nothing to hide and has done nothing unethical.  However, Dr. Merritt forgets to express that the state of Montana fined the company over one million dollars as being a ponzi scheme.

Fourth, Why is Dr. Merritt promoting, in April 2011, a company that, in March 2010, was fined by the state of Montana and had to totally reconstruct their levels in order to do business there?

Fifth, at about the 9:30 mark Dr. Merritt seems to encourage the provision of financial rewards as being “hope” for those who have lost their jobs and are in sad financial conditions.  If this is the case, then as  a pastor, maybe Dr. Merritt should go to the starving nations of the world and promote Fortune.

Why am I disappointed in Dr. Merritt’s latest promotion?  He always struck me as one that would derive his income from the Gospel only and not allow himself to promote anything like this. He has passionately,  in the past, presented himself as offering hope only in the Gospel of Jesus Christ but now offers hope for a future in Fortune, an already fined Ponzi scheme company.   I guess I have gotten naive in my old age.

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Convention Assessment

Posted by Tim Rogers on June 17, 2008
Posted in SBC IssuesSBC PresidentSouthern Baptist Convention  | 16 Comments

Well, it has been about a week since we voted in Indianapolis for a new president. Dr. Johnny Hunt overwhelmingly was elected our new president. I look forward to seeing how God will use him in the coming two years. It is already rumored that a couple of Florida pastors names are being floated to see how the response is for the next full election cycle. But, who knows, maybe Dr. Hunt will take a page out of the late Dr. Adrian Rogers’ book and only serve one year and allow Dr. Mohler to place his name back in the ring next year in Louisville. I have not heard anything to that effect and I am not trying to start a rumor, but it would be interesting. Would one not agree that Dr. Hunt has seemingly received the mantle of Dr. Rogers? It would appear that if the trustees reverse their policies after Dr. Hunts meeting with them, that the mantle has truly been passed.

On other convention matters, the resolutions that passed were certainly ones that spoke to the needs of the convention. The Charlotte, NC paper picked up a report from Religious News Service. The story found here speaks about the numbers being debated which spoke mainly about the resolution on Regenerate Church Membership. It seems that in that report the reporter made reference to another resolution that was passed on The Equality of Ethnic Representation. This resolution was a joint effort between Dr. Dwight McKissic and myself. I am a little concerned with Roger Oldham’s response in that article. I do not want to pass judgement on his response because I understand that sometimes a misplaced quote is not what a person communicated. However, if the quote is an accurate quote, it would seem that the Executive Committee sees nothing wrong with no minority representation on the Executive Committee staff because minorities are represented in other entities. If this is what they are saying then trustees should take a serious look at this. But, as I have already stated, I want to believe the quote is a misplaced quote.

Brother Bill Sanderson made a motion that called for us to identify Broadway Baptist as not being in friendly cooperation. I am glad to see this take place. One thing I do not understand is why a motion had to come from the floor of the convention to deal with this issue. It is clear from the debates that ensued around that situation in Texas that we certainly have a church that is not in cooperation with the Convention because their actions affirm, approve, or endorse homosexual behavior (SBC Constitution Article III.1). With that in the constitution, it just is not clear why messengers have to make the motion from the floor before the convention can deal with it. One thing noted in the response to this motion was that Broadway Baptist did not send messengers to the convention. If the church is following the lead of the pastor that implemented the ‘openness’ policy there at Broadway, we can expect a request to address the convention next year.

On another matter that I did not understand was the motion for the Executive Committee to revisit our relationship with the Baptist World Alliance. If this motion comes through the EC and a motion is presented to the convention, I will only have one question. What will we do with Dr. Welch? I mean, isn’t that what he is supposed to be doing. I believe he gave a great report of trying to build bridges to Baptist on an international scale. He seems to be covering his position and building the foundation for a world wide network.

Overall, I thoroughly enjoyed the convention. I am excited to be a Southern Baptist and look forward to the future as we cooperatively allow Jesus Christ to reach the world through us.

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Representing the Entire SBC

Posted by Tim Rogers on May 28, 2008
Posted in Dr. Frank CoxSBC PresidentSouthern Baptist Convention  | 5 Comments

Dr. Cox is one that will represent the entire Southern Baptist Convention. He has posted an answer to a question over at his place found here. I want to focus on this one answer to a question he has posted at his blog.

From Dr. Cox’s experience one can trust his leadership potential along with his desire for strengthening the small churches. Just read the following question along with his answer and see what I mean.

What is your ministry experience?

My ministry experience is like so many others who are pastoring Southern Baptist churches. At seventeen years of age God called me to preach and I responded. God began to open doors for me to speak. It didn’t matter if it was to a small youth group, whether it was to youth encampments, God just opened the doors and I went through them. I entered college at Truett-McConnell College in Cleveland, Georgia. It was there I was assigned as a preacher on what we called Impact Teams that went out from our Baptist Student Union. I began to preach in small churches around north Georgia during my college days. God continued to open the doors.

The summer after my first year in college God opened an opportunity for me to be the summer youth minister at Calvary Baptist Church in Lilburn, Georgia. It was only to last three months but turned into three years. God gave me invaluable experience at Calvary Baptist Church. Dick Lincoln was my pastor and he was helpful in utilizing my spiritual gifts for ministry. He allowed me to preach every now and then for him, and he utilized me in outreach as well as youth ministry.

In 1978 I left Calvary Baptist Church after graduating from Mercer University and went to New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary. It was there I became the pastor of the Barataria Baptist Church in Lafitte, Louisiana. Some of the greatest people in the world are in that church, even to this day. They allowed me to be their pastor and to cut my teeth on preaching. . They must have sat through many terrible sermons, but they were always encouraging. God used us in a great way in that little bayou church, and when I graduated from New Orleans I came to my present pastorate.

In November of 1980 I became the Pastor of what was then called Pleasant Hill Baptist Church in Duluth, Georgia. It was my first church out of seminary and to this day, right at 28 years later, I still pastor this congregation. When I came we were running just over 100 in Sunday School, and over the years God has been faithful to grow His church utilizing our gifts and abilities along with hundreds of others in our fellowship to build a great church. I have pastored a small church, a medium sized church, and a large church, all in the same context.

In 1995 our church voted unanimously to relocate ten miles north of where we were located. At that time we changed the name of our church from Pleasant Hill Baptist Church to North Metro First Baptist Church. It has been a wonderful, wonderful experience. Dr. Charles Carter, formerly of Jonesboro First Baptist Church gave me insight into growing a large church. He said, “Frank, if you’ll go to a small church and just stay put and grow it a little bit every year, several years down the road you’ll look up one day and realize God has used you to build a large church.” Well, that is what God has done with us here at North Metro. Even though some may consider us to be a large church, I still see myself as that small-church pastor that came here in 1980 and God has just blessed! In fact, if you were to come into my study, you would see a picture next to my desk, a rather large picture, of a shack on stilts on the bayous of Louisiana. Many times people ask me why that picture is there. It’s there to remind me, no matter what God does in my life or through my life; I want to always remember where I came from. That one picture serves to keep everything in perspective. That is exactly who I am.

What a great man for the next President of the Southern Baptist Convention.

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Dr. Frank Cox has my Vote

Posted by Tim Rogers on March 26, 2008
Posted in Dr. Frank CoxSBC President  | 15 Comments

frank-cox.jpegOn June 10, 2008 during that morning session, probably, we will have a time that the convention will elect her next President.  When that time comes, I will punch my ballot for Dr. Frank Cox.  Oh, my wife and my daughter, if she is elected a messenger from our church, will also punch their ballots for Dr. Cox.

I am voting for Dr. Cox for three reasons.  First, I have prayed about this decision and I believe that God is leading me to vote for Dr. Cox,  I believe Dr. Cox has presented himself as a man of God that desires to do what is right for the Southern Baptist Convention.  Dr. Cox has served our convention well on the Executive Committee.  He also has never been afraid to take a stand on something that he believes in.  Dr. Cox, as I remember, stood and spoke at a convention when he was serving on the resolutions committee.  He spoke against a Christian Education resolution and he did it with integrity.  His point was that he served on his school board and was able to make changes and be light in the public school system.  This was not a popular stand for him but he stood without flinching.

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