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“How Could it Be?” Part II

Posted by Tim Rogers on April 1, 2008
Posted in Ben ColeMistaken IdentitySBC IssuesUncategorizedWade Burleson  | 42 Comments

In Part I, you will notice that I referenced a story which moved me to tears as I thought of the heartache and grueling decisions that had to be made to right a wrong. It seems that anytime something needs to be righted it does take heartache and tough decisions. Well, as I re-visit a situation that is current in SBC life I find myself asking the same question that is the title of this post–How Could it Be?

It all began for me in November 2005. I read of accounts of a trustee with the IMB stepping forward and making public items that were discussed in private. It seems that the news was not concerned about a trustee publicly releasing items discussed in private as they were about the issue of “dissent”. This dissent, was something that we Baptist hold dear and here was a trustee that was being squashed, according to the various press coverage, by the system that wanted to keep people under their thumb. The first thing I asked myself had to do with the direction the President, Dr. Jerry Rankin, wanted to go in the matter. The reason I wanted to find Dr. Rankin’s position had to do with the items the trustee was classifying as the “narrowing of parameters”. One doctrine was the doctrine of a Private Prayer Language (PPL). You see, this was something that was revealed to the SBC world about Dr. Jerry Rankin at the time he was announced as the choice of the FMB (Foreign Mission Board is what the International Mission Board was once called.). However, and the way that Dr. Rankin’s election to the post was satisfied, it was agreed that this would never be an issue for Dr. Rankin because he always had this in the privacy of his own devotional life. He never taught this doctrine, and because he only used it privately, it would never be an issue in terms of his employment.

After a period of time there were news reports about a public blog where this trustee opined wildly about the Conservative Resurgence and used some very harsh language concerning Crusading Conservatives. To his credit the trustee went back and changed some of the language as to not make it so harsh. However, this post was a gauntlet being thrown down for the rest of the Board of Trustees and across the convention.

From the IMB decision arose a group of concerned Southern Baptist that this person was being falsely accused and should be protected. This group came together in Memphis and placed in writing the Memphis Declaration. This is where the subtle change in the message was placed in writing to rally the masses. In this story we see the beginnings of information management as the media is manipulated for the cause. The change, you will notice in the story, has moved from the right of public dissent to the narrowing of parameters.

Thus, it seems that we have this tragic accident that has happened–for the first time in the history of the SBC a trustee has been recommended to be removed–some say for reasons of revealing private information and others say it is because of the trustee’s desire to dissent. However, we now see the rallying cry of this group and that is the “narrowing of parameters”. People flocked to the defense of this trustee for various reasons, but I will narrow (no pun intended) it to two. One, has to do with Doctrine. There were some, and I believe the majority of those that jumped on this ambulance, that saw the IMB policies as going outside the BF&M. These policies were implemented, we were told, by a small group of people that were Landmark in their doctrine and wanted to narrow the parameters to meet some Landmark doctrinal position. This position, we were told, was being implemented in order to accomplish two things. First it would keep the SBC under the control of a few people, mainly one sitting as President of another entity in Texas. Second, it would get rid of Dr. Rankin at the IMB something, we were told, was a desire of a small few in leadership on the IMB BoT.

We go into the 2006 convention in Greensboro with the rallying cry of cooperation and CP giving is huge. The presidential candidate is Dr. Ronnie Floyd, and his commitment to the SBC is called into question because of the less than 1% CP giving ratio of the church he pastors. While Dr. Floyd certainly could have done much better in his CP giving ratio we must remember that his SBC commitment is seen in his giving directly to the various entities. Could it be that Dr. Floyd’s CP giving isn’t as much of a picture of his commitment to the SBC as it is his disagreement with Arkansas Baptist giving plan? However, Dr. Floyd was painted as some out of touch Mega-church pastor that could care less about anyone else. Also, when Dr. Paige Patterson and Dr. Al Mohler endorsed Dr. Floyd the die had been cast. It now was argued that the narrowing of parameters was in full force. Since the IMB has brought about PPL and Baptism as an issue, the Calvinist are next to be voted out. That was the banner cry heading into the 2006 convention.

Dr. Frank Page is the nominee that Burleson shopped around to find. With the seemingly endorsement of Dr. Morris Chapman, this group met in their hotel suite with their new President and laid hands on and anointed their new leaders that would help them implement the changes they so desperately wanted. However, there was emerging within the leaders of this group a curious doctrinal deficiency that Southern Baptist held tenaciously onto in the past that those who signed on were about to notice. One was alcohol, and the other was ecclesiology.

At the 2006 convention Ben Cole, a leader at the Memphis convocation, along with Tom Ascol, President of the Calvinist organization Founders Ministry, argued in support of a resolution on alcohol. This argument elicited some excitable statements by veteran SBC observers. I remember sitting in the SEBTS alumni luncheon on that Wednesday and hearing Dr. Danny Akin express his distress at sitting in a SBC convention meeting and hearing SBC pastors argue for the use of alcohol as a social beverage. The icing on the cake for this convention was the blog post by the trustee that was supposed to be tragically attacked in this narrowing of parameters scene, where he purportedly used wine as a device to lead someone to Christ. People who thought they were signing onto a movement with other Biblical inerrantist were beginning to question exactly who exactly this was.

Ecclesiology became another area that was beginning to come to the forefront. It seems that it began with the idea that the seating of the universal church was in the present. It has now moved to the offices of the local church and how there is no prohibition in gender for the Senior Pastor. It seems that the argument of the local church has moved forward in the same principles of the alcohol argument. The alcohol argument was basically, you cannot find in the Bible ‘Thou shalt not drink’. The argument for the local church has moved from, you cannot find in the Bible, ‘the local church is my church’ and since that is not there, you certainly cannot find that the Senior Pastor is not an office in the Scripture. Thus, if the Senior Pastor is not referenced in Scripture, there can be no prohibitions on the office because the Bible doesn’t even mention the office.

Identity Revealed

This brings me to the conclusion of this post. It seems that many who were commenting in the beginning trying to defend this trustee now are no longer defending. Why is that? Well as in Part I of this series, the Van Ryn family realized this young lady they had nurtured back to health for five weeks was not part of their immediate family, it seems that statements and positions by this former trustee indicate this is not part of the immediate family–doctrinally. The real problem in question has to do with things being said. In a comment stream here (second comment to a John), he says that he voted against the BF&M 2000. But, in a post here (in the opening paragraph), he says that he voted for the BF&M 2000. Regardless of that inconsistency, that gives the appearance that the former trustee will say whatever he needs to say in order to favor his audience, there is now a promotion of women pastors. Many who once said, I am for you and will follow, are now having to reassess their positions.

As the Van Ryn’s some are now saying, you must believe I am an idiot because I cannot identify someone that is an inerrantist. The Cerak family responded with love and compassion toward their family because they knew what they were feeling as they realized that the daughter they thought was theirs was alive, but was in reality dead. Both families came away from this tragedy stronger in their faith and much more in love with our Lord. But they acknowledged that one they thought was their family, in reality was not.

It is the same with some that responded to what you perceived was a tragedy, but you now realize that the injured was not part of the doctrinal family you have known as the SBC. Allow me to commend you on nurturing our Brother and being there for him. However, it is okay for you to now acknowledge what he has acknowledged–he does not embrace the BF&M 2000. Some may still be hanging on because you are still hung onto the question; “How could it be?”. That is okay, also. Back away and re-look at the posts that you see coming from this blog and you will observe the doctrinal slide toward the left. Then venture to this blog and view the post by this author and you will observe the vitriol and vengeance toward an entity president that has been duly elected by the BoT who are authorized to be in their positions by the convention.

As you review and wonder about the outcome. Let me encourage you to go ahead and release these Brothers that are doctrinally members of another family. We do not desire to see harm come to them, but we must release them to their doctrinal family where they will be better nurtured and cared for simply because they are not doctrinally a part of our family.

Let’s Expand the Kingdom of God!

Posted by Tim Rogers on January 31, 2008
Posted in International Mission BoardWade Burleson  | 75 Comments

As I was growing up, my mother had a saying that she would repeatedly use. “If you cannot say anything good about someone, do not say anything at all.” That saying constantly comes into my mind time and again. This is one of those times.

Brother Wade Burleson has resigned as a Trustee of the International Mission Board. I do not want to get into the specifics of this decision because I do not know the specifics. However, I must agree with a Missionary in his comment stream.

Thank you for your decision to resign. I think that this will help the IMB move forward.

Also an IMB m

Now, let’s move forward expanding the Kingdom of God.

It appears, however, that some do not want to do this. I do not want to get into a back-and-forth he-said/she-said, but it appears that moving forward to expand the Kingdom of God is not the desire of our former trustee. According to this article there is now a desire to name names. Let me say something here and I do not want anyone to feel I am being accusatory. I am just stating something that seems to be obvious. The former trustee relates his desire in this statement; My heartfelt statement last night was an attempt to extend the olive branch to my fellow trustees and put the focus on missions at the IMB and off of me. However, he now says he has names and will present them in due time. Others are even advocating that he reveal the infamous notebooks containing evidence of wrongdoing. If there is evidence of wrong doing, why wait until one resigns to reveal the wrongdoing? If it is in respect to the trustee guidelines passed and approved by the IMB BoT in 2006, those guidelines were violated while he was a trustee.

I believe that the former trustee is a Godly man and has a pastor’s heart. I believe he is a capable leader and certainly God is using him at his church. There is no major contention at his church that would suggest otherwise. So our former trustee should be commended for the way he is leading the church.

However, if it is truly our heart to move forward, a question begs to be answered at this time. What good could come to the Kingdom of God for alleged evidence of wrongdoing pertaining to those serving as Trustees on the IMB? If these wrongdoings are of such manner that should be used to unseat other trustees, why sit on the information until after one steps aside? If this information was being used to keep the IMB BoT from overstepping the former trustee’s perceived boundaries, does it not give an appearance that the former trustee is using tactics of blackmail? If the information is going to be released, why release it a little at a time? What is the purpose of holding this information for so long only now to release it piece by piece? Does this not scream of a calculated dismantling of the greatest missionary sending organization in the world?

There are a number of answers to the above questions, but I find that some longing for the release of information are a curious bunch. There are self-identified Moderate (and I use the term Moderate loosely) Baptist that are calling for our former trustee to become one of them, here here here here here and here. I do not believe our former trustee will lead his church closer to the CBF, but it is strange that our former trustee advocated a meeting, back in May, 2007, that began January 30, 2008 as one that would help us be focused on what unites us with other Baptists instead of what divides us from other Baptists. Our former trustee has an Associate Pastor that is in attendance at The Celebration of a New Baptist Covenant. It does appear that some strange alliances have been formed. Of course our former trustee has stated that he will not lead his church out of the SBC. But, there is an old saying that I have heard all of my life; “I cannot hear your words over the sound of your actions.”

It seems also, that our former trustee is planning a book for release some time before the convention. He says it is not a tell-all of the IMB, but according to APB:

Burleson said he plans to spend the time he’ll gain from not participating as an IMB trustee by documenting other missteps by convention leaders.

“The point of the book is not a tell-all of the IMB, though there will be illustrations from the dangerous effects of stifling dissent, moving beyond the [Baptist Faith and Message] on doctrinal policy and attacking people who disagree,” he said. “It is a wake-up call to Southern Baptists that we better start cooperating despite our differences, or we will dry up and shrivel away as a convention.”

Burleson said he plans to tell the stories of Dwight McKissic, a Texas pastor who was censored after telling students at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in a chapel sermon that he used a “private prayer language,” and Sheri Klouda, a former Southwestern Hebrew professor who is suing the seminary for firing her because of her gender. He said he will highlight other “anecdotes, personal histories and narratives of how many people are affected by the actions of the trustees at our largest agency,” the IMB.

Burleson said he looks forward to having “a platform where I am not continually placed in a position of having to defend myself.”

If we are truly concerned about missions, and truly desire to move forward advancing the Kingdom of God, then let’s do it and stop eating sour grapes.

****UPDATE: For everyone, Wade has removed the above post that I referenced. To his credit, he seems to be rethinking his decision as to exposing the alleged documents that reveal unethical, and possible worse behavior. I do not know what that means about his publishing a book, but he seems to be pulling back to re-examine God’s leading in his life. Let’s all pray for him as he seeks the Mind of Christ.****

Crow–Eaten as a Meal!

Posted by Tim Rogers on November 17, 2007
Posted in International Mission BoardSBC OutpostTrusteesWade Burleson  | 49 Comments

When I was growing up I was told by me Father that words were always sweet coming out but bitter when ingested. He informed me that the most bitter words to ingest were words presented as truthful ones but dissected and turned into untruthful ones. These words he told me were the difference in eating steak and crow. Steak is good and nourishing. Crow is meat, just like steak, but not filling and bitter. Thus, I find myself with the bitter task of eating crow.

Thursday evening November 15, 2007 on SBC Outpost, I made a statement concerning Brother Wade Burleson’s offer to resign in comment #22. I said; “He thought better of it and removed that offer from the table.” After speaking to Brother Wade personally, I was told that the statement was incorrect. He never removed his offer to resign. He and I disagree on many things, but on this I can see how he views that statement as being wrong. I should have kept saying what I was saying all along instead of trying to make a stronger case. What I said from the beginning is true–Brother Wade was told to write out his resignation and he never did. This statement Brother Wade agrees with as we discussed it on the phone. He had many things to consider in writing such a statement but got distracted by something else.

Because words mean things, I can see how Brother Wade and others can say the statement; “He thought better of it and removed that offer from the table” and the statement; “Brother Wade was told to write out his resignation and he never did” are not the same. If you believe that these two statements do not mean the same thing and thus believe my use of the first placed Brother Wade in the position of being someone not telling the truth, then I am sorry. I have never said that Brother Wade was lying and thus do not believe I need to apologize for such a statement. I have not spread gossip just because I will not reveal my source. The fact is that Brother Wade was told to write out his statement of resignation and he never did–he told me that.

That is all that I have to say on the Wade Burleson issue concerning this resignation. I will trust the outcome of this issue and my heart to our Sovereign Father who judges all men’s hearts–and has assigned Wade Burleson a mansion next to Jerry Corbaley, which is located across the hall from the mansions of Paige Patterson, which is next to Ben Cole.

Excuse me while I return to my meal.

***Clarification***

It seems that Brother Wade has a point of clarification where he believes it to be worded more accurately. I have stated; “Brother Wade was told to write out his resignation and he never did“. Brother Wade believes this would be more accurately worded by saying; “I was asked to write out my proposed resolution.” His proposed resolution involved his resignation before the end of the year.

I believe that Brother Wade and I disagree over semantics here. I personally do not see the difference in a statement that says he was asked to write out his resignation and a statement that says he was asked to write out his proposal to resolve the issue which included a letter of resignation.

As we move from summer into autumn here in NC we will experience a drabness in our foliage. It seems that we did not get enough water and because of this drought situation we find ourselves missing much of the beauty that makes the NC Mountains famous. There are some that say too much water causes the leaves to change later and therefore never exhibit the beauty of the colors in the process of that change. While others say that the slackness of rain makes the leaves change earlier and thus causes the changes so quick it makes for a beautiful scene. Which is correct? I do not know. Are these differences of opinion a result of inconsistent data? Or could this just be chicanery on the part of the tourist industry to get tourist to plan trips earlier in order to begin the tours earlier and thus bring in extra cash?

This brings me to something that I have witnessed in the blogging world. It seems that we have been a witness to either inconsistency or chicanery.

Inconsistent is described as: not satisfiable by the same set of values for the unknowns.

Chicanery is described as: deception by artful subterfuge or sophistry.

What have I seen in the blogging world that causes me to ask this question? I can point to many examples, but will use only a few. First the Endorsements at SBC Outpost. These Endorsements were removed at the decision of one person. It appears that the removal of these endorsement statements removed the endorsements of the individuals. Here is where the question of inconsistency or chicanery comes to light. Is it inconsistency or chicanery on the part of the endorsers of SBC Outpost to allow their endorsements to be pulled after they went public without publicly expressing something about the action? If it is inconsistency, where one feels the endorsement is still valid but not listed, then the endorser needs to clarify if the endorsement is still valid. If it is chicanery, where one feel the endorsement appears that it is not valid but in the endorser’s mind it is, then the endorser is guilty of trying to trick SB.

Second, is the in the arena of pastoral moves. We all now are aware that Dr. Jefress is the new pastor at FBC Dallas. However, we also are aware this was made public before either FBC Dallas members were aware of whom the committee was preparing to present, or FBC Wichita Falls was told by their pastor. This was debated in blogland as just “scooping” a story that was going to be released by a secular news organization. However, some of the very ones releasing this information did not seem to be aware that one of SBC Outpost’s leaders was leaving his present ministry to begin in a staff position in Enid Oklahoma. While neither FBC Dallas, nor FBC Wichita Falls had the luxury to hear about these changes from within the confines of their own membership, Parkview Baptist and Emmanuel Baptist were able to announce a transition that should go smoothly because it was presented in a proper manner. If what happened with the scoop is inconsistency then those involved in reporting these items should issue an apology to FBC Dallas, FBC Wichita Falls, and Dr. Jefress. If this is chicanery then it is easily spotted when the secular media turns to these “scooping” individuals in order to further a cause against SBC Institutions.

Also, and the last one to which I point, did you see the issue of silence? This blogger, referencing this post, pointed to the silence of SWBTS when someone seeks information. From both articles it appears that the authors believe it to be due to a serious, possibly law-breaking, matter for SWBTS to remain silent. IOW, SWBTS has seriously broken the law and their silence is the proof seems to be the implication. According to the SBC Outpost article because people are now being referred to a lawyer there must be something wrong. However, when I ask a question concerning a statement here the author responds humorously here. When I press the matter here he responds with silence here. If the author was afraid that I was seeking information because I desired to use it in a legal battle that I have instigated against him this type of action would be considered inconsistency. However, to become silent when the only thing requested were the more than half-dozen names he said “had no clue about Klouda’s forced removal, much less the reasoning behind why a unanimous action of the Board of Trustees needed to be ‘corrected’ ” screams chicanery. Some may not see it that way, but they need to stop and think. SWBTS is under scrutiny like it has never been before. Dr. Patterson is battling constant threats of legal actions against him and the seminary. Then the very person who has encouraged the lawsuit SWBTS is facing accuses him of hiding something by his silence, but when asked to name names instead of placing things out there as gossip, this person refuses to do so . . .

Oh, speaking of chicanery. Remember the issues raised by Brother Wade over Mrs. Debbie Brunson being nominated to the IMB from Florida? Remember his difficulty was not with Mrs. Brunson but the fact that she had been there less than a year and there were many more people in the great state of Florida that had served longer than she. I remember it and, to his credit, the story was pulled from his blog. His reasons? To be honest, I never really understood his reasoning. However, I believe if you will look at the appointments of the current President of the Oklahoma Baptist Convention you will notice a person on the Nominating Committee that violates the very principle that Brother Wade raised with Sister Debbie Brunson. Brother Art Rogers was in Oklahoma for less than a year when the Presidential appointments were named to the Nominating Committee. Brother Art is a great man of God and I do not question his ability to serve. However, is it inconsistency or chicanery for Brother Wade to remove his article concerning his disagreement of Mrs. Brunson and remain silent concerning Brother Art? (I do not know the exact timing of the president’s appointment of Brother Art, but if I were a betting man I would bet $1k to a doughnut hole it was shortly after Brother Wade removed his article.) Also, you will notice that Brother Todd Littleton has been placed on the committee. Now I understand that Brother Todd has been in the state longer than a year. However, it was in 2005 that a member of the church Brother Todd is pastor wrote this article where the church member stated he was done with the SBC. His basis for quiting the SBC was established as something his pastor told him. Is it inconsistency or chicanery for one to lead people to quit the SBC but serve in a position to nominate people for positions in a state convention that supports the SBC. Allow me to ask the Oklahoma Baptist Convention if it is inconsistency or chicanery for the convention to appoint a pastor whose church members have publicly advocated not sending money to the SBC and point to their pastor’s leadership in making this decision?

Let me close by saying that I could care less where the Lord leads our Brothers and Sisters in service for Him. I am excited that people are able to serve Him through the denominational agencies and I support the leadership of those in their positions. Here in NC we have great leadership as I am sure Oklahoma has as well. However, it seems that many of the issues being thrown out castigating the agencies and our leaders come from either inconsistency or chicanery. Which would you say?