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“How Could it Be?” Part II

Posted by Tim Rogers on April 1, 2008
Posted in Ben ColeMistaken IdentitySBC IssuesUncategorizedWade Burleson  | 42 Comments

In Part I, you will notice that I referenced a story which moved me to tears as I thought of the heartache and grueling decisions that had to be made to right a wrong. It seems that anytime something needs to be righted it does take heartache and tough decisions. Well, as I re-visit a situation that is current in SBC life I find myself asking the same question that is the title of this post–How Could it Be?

It all began for me in November 2005. I read of accounts of a trustee with the IMB stepping forward and making public items that were discussed in private. It seems that the news was not concerned about a trustee publicly releasing items discussed in private as they were about the issue of “dissent”. This dissent, was something that we Baptist hold dear and here was a trustee that was being squashed, according to the various press coverage, by the system that wanted to keep people under their thumb. The first thing I asked myself had to do with the direction the President, Dr. Jerry Rankin, wanted to go in the matter. The reason I wanted to find Dr. Rankin’s position had to do with the items the trustee was classifying as the “narrowing of parameters”. One doctrine was the doctrine of a Private Prayer Language (PPL). You see, this was something that was revealed to the SBC world about Dr. Jerry Rankin at the time he was announced as the choice of the FMB (Foreign Mission Board is what the International Mission Board was once called.). However, and the way that Dr. Rankin’s election to the post was satisfied, it was agreed that this would never be an issue for Dr. Rankin because he always had this in the privacy of his own devotional life. He never taught this doctrine, and because he only used it privately, it would never be an issue in terms of his employment.

After a period of time there were news reports about a public blog where this trustee opined wildly about the Conservative Resurgence and used some very harsh language concerning Crusading Conservatives. To his credit the trustee went back and changed some of the language as to not make it so harsh. However, this post was a gauntlet being thrown down for the rest of the Board of Trustees and across the convention.

From the IMB decision arose a group of concerned Southern Baptist that this person was being falsely accused and should be protected. This group came together in Memphis and placed in writing the Memphis Declaration. This is where the subtle change in the message was placed in writing to rally the masses. In this story we see the beginnings of information management as the media is manipulated for the cause. The change, you will notice in the story, has moved from the right of public dissent to the narrowing of parameters.

Thus, it seems that we have this tragic accident that has happened–for the first time in the history of the SBC a trustee has been recommended to be removed–some say for reasons of revealing private information and others say it is because of the trustee’s desire to dissent. However, we now see the rallying cry of this group and that is the “narrowing of parameters”. People flocked to the defense of this trustee for various reasons, but I will narrow (no pun intended) it to two. One, has to do with Doctrine. There were some, and I believe the majority of those that jumped on this ambulance, that saw the IMB policies as going outside the BF&M. These policies were implemented, we were told, by a small group of people that were Landmark in their doctrine and wanted to narrow the parameters to meet some Landmark doctrinal position. This position, we were told, was being implemented in order to accomplish two things. First it would keep the SBC under the control of a few people, mainly one sitting as President of another entity in Texas. Second, it would get rid of Dr. Rankin at the IMB something, we were told, was a desire of a small few in leadership on the IMB BoT.

We go into the 2006 convention in Greensboro with the rallying cry of cooperation and CP giving is huge. The presidential candidate is Dr. Ronnie Floyd, and his commitment to the SBC is called into question because of the less than 1% CP giving ratio of the church he pastors. While Dr. Floyd certainly could have done much better in his CP giving ratio we must remember that his SBC commitment is seen in his giving directly to the various entities. Could it be that Dr. Floyd’s CP giving isn’t as much of a picture of his commitment to the SBC as it is his disagreement with Arkansas Baptist giving plan? However, Dr. Floyd was painted as some out of touch Mega-church pastor that could care less about anyone else. Also, when Dr. Paige Patterson and Dr. Al Mohler endorsed Dr. Floyd the die had been cast. It now was argued that the narrowing of parameters was in full force. Since the IMB has brought about PPL and Baptism as an issue, the Calvinist are next to be voted out. That was the banner cry heading into the 2006 convention.

Dr. Frank Page is the nominee that Burleson shopped around to find. With the seemingly endorsement of Dr. Morris Chapman, this group met in their hotel suite with their new President and laid hands on and anointed their new leaders that would help them implement the changes they so desperately wanted. However, there was emerging within the leaders of this group a curious doctrinal deficiency that Southern Baptist held tenaciously onto in the past that those who signed on were about to notice. One was alcohol, and the other was ecclesiology.

At the 2006 convention Ben Cole, a leader at the Memphis convocation, along with Tom Ascol, President of the Calvinist organization Founders Ministry, argued in support of a resolution on alcohol. This argument elicited some excitable statements by veteran SBC observers. I remember sitting in the SEBTS alumni luncheon on that Wednesday and hearing Dr. Danny Akin express his distress at sitting in a SBC convention meeting and hearing SBC pastors argue for the use of alcohol as a social beverage. The icing on the cake for this convention was the blog post by the trustee that was supposed to be tragically attacked in this narrowing of parameters scene, where he purportedly used wine as a device to lead someone to Christ. People who thought they were signing onto a movement with other Biblical inerrantist were beginning to question exactly who exactly this was.

Ecclesiology became another area that was beginning to come to the forefront. It seems that it began with the idea that the seating of the universal church was in the present. It has now moved to the offices of the local church and how there is no prohibition in gender for the Senior Pastor. It seems that the argument of the local church has moved forward in the same principles of the alcohol argument. The alcohol argument was basically, you cannot find in the Bible ‘Thou shalt not drink’. The argument for the local church has moved from, you cannot find in the Bible, ‘the local church is my church’ and since that is not there, you certainly cannot find that the Senior Pastor is not an office in the Scripture. Thus, if the Senior Pastor is not referenced in Scripture, there can be no prohibitions on the office because the Bible doesn’t even mention the office.

Identity Revealed

This brings me to the conclusion of this post. It seems that many who were commenting in the beginning trying to defend this trustee now are no longer defending. Why is that? Well as in Part I of this series, the Van Ryn family realized this young lady they had nurtured back to health for five weeks was not part of their immediate family, it seems that statements and positions by this former trustee indicate this is not part of the immediate family–doctrinally. The real problem in question has to do with things being said. In a comment stream here (second comment to a John), he says that he voted against the BF&M 2000. But, in a post here (in the opening paragraph), he says that he voted for the BF&M 2000. Regardless of that inconsistency, that gives the appearance that the former trustee will say whatever he needs to say in order to favor his audience, there is now a promotion of women pastors. Many who once said, I am for you and will follow, are now having to reassess their positions.

As the Van Ryn’s some are now saying, you must believe I am an idiot because I cannot identify someone that is an inerrantist. The Cerak family responded with love and compassion toward their family because they knew what they were feeling as they realized that the daughter they thought was theirs was alive, but was in reality dead. Both families came away from this tragedy stronger in their faith and much more in love with our Lord. But they acknowledged that one they thought was their family, in reality was not.

It is the same with some that responded to what you perceived was a tragedy, but you now realize that the injured was not part of the doctrinal family you have known as the SBC. Allow me to commend you on nurturing our Brother and being there for him. However, it is okay for you to now acknowledge what he has acknowledged–he does not embrace the BF&M 2000. Some may still be hanging on because you are still hung onto the question; “How could it be?”. That is okay, also. Back away and re-look at the posts that you see coming from this blog and you will observe the doctrinal slide toward the left. Then venture to this blog and view the post by this author and you will observe the vitriol and vengeance toward an entity president that has been duly elected by the BoT who are authorized to be in their positions by the convention.

As you review and wonder about the outcome. Let me encourage you to go ahead and release these Brothers that are doctrinally members of another family. We do not desire to see harm come to them, but we must release them to their doctrinal family where they will be better nurtured and cared for simply because they are not doctrinally a part of our family.

The Bible gives us guides as to how we may determine a false prophet. In Deuteronomy 18:21-22 the Bible says; “You may say to yourself, ‘How can we recognize a message the Lord has not spoken?’ When a prophet speaks in the Lord’s name, and the message does not come true or is not fulfilled, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.” Which brings me to Dr. Patterson.Dr. Paige Patterson is a visionary and a prophet of God. Everyone knows the stands he took and the shots he endured during the Conservative Resurgence.

Thus, everyone knows that he can see a direction that he believes God is leading and he knows how to lead us down that road. Dr. Patterson has made it abundantly clear during the question period of his SWBTS Report in San Antonio that he believes a degree that specializes in Homemaking is needed in the life of Southern Baptist today. He has been painted in a very disparaging way over his conviction. However, Dr. Patterson has openly stated that we are living in a day when the family and the home has been neglected.  I have whole-heartedly supported him in his leadership at SWBTS. So, can you imagine my surprised delight as I picked up my local news paper and saw this headline? “A BRAND NEW DAY: Home Economics classes get more specific and more popular

What backwoods Baptist preacher has infiltrated another of our elite SBC seminaries with his complimentarian ideology and his literalist theology? Oh, my dear reader, this is not a SBC Seminary. This is a public high school here in the town where I minister.
Read the article that I have linked above and you will find that our public school system seems to be concerned that we are turning out young ladies that do not know how to sew. How archaic can one get? What difference does it make whether the young ladies that graduate know how to sew or even cook? As you peruse the article you will find that the most popular courses offered are Foods I (how to plan and cook a meal) along with Apparel Development (sewing, shut my mouth) and Early Childhood (raising children).

Mr. Steve Hill the Executive Director of Secondary/Career and Technical Education for Iredell-Statesville Schools, gives us (as my bombastic Baptist Brother Ben would say) the money quote: “It’s important we graduate students who have a well-rounded basic education and it’s important they’ve had an opportunity to explore careers they may be interested in.

Well, all I can say is that Dr. Paige Patterson is a true prophet according to Scripture. Therefore, if you have any gripes about Dr. Patterson not being a true prophet and you say you believe the Bible, then take it up with God. But if you do not believe that Dr. Patterson is a true prophet, then you have just told the world that you believe the Bible, but…..

Open Dialog?

Posted by Tim Rogers on July 4, 2007
Posted in Ben ColeCensorDr. Al MohlerDr. Greg WeltyDr. Phil RobertsGnosticismSBC Outpost  | 18 Comments

It seems that the new and improved SBC Outpost is not only new and improved, but it is now censoring material that will not make the authors appear in a favorable light. It seems that Dr. Greg Welty posted a comment in disagreement with Brother Alan Cross’s article on Gnosticism. It seems that comment is still awaiting moderation. Read about it here.

Should we call the contributors at SBC Outpost back to their news release? Here is the money quote from that news release.

Intentionally designed as a bridge for the diverse constituencies of Southern Baptist life, SBCOutpost.com will bring together denominational executives with rural pastors and church planters, missional pastors with traditional pastors, seminary theologians with Sunday School teachers, and field missionaries with their prayer partners.

Oh, I know what it is. Could it be that bringing seminary theologians together with Sunday School teachers really is what they are trying to do, and there had been no Sunday School teachers that contributed. I do not think so. Brother Bob Cleveland commented at 7:58 am, so as a Sunday School teacher he could have been brought together with a seminary theologian. Maybe Dr. Welty’s article was harsh and delivered a character assassination toward an individual. However Brother Ben Cole at 8:41 am attacked, not only Dr. Mohler, but those that agreed with him and then turned his vitriolic pen toward Dr. Phil Roberts.

Dr. Greg Welty posted his comment at 11:42 am and it has never been released from comment moderation. I encourage you to read Dr. Welty’s comment and see for yourself this truth. If dialog is truly what those at SBC Outpost desires, then why censor dialog?

So this is journalism that reports the news? PUHLEASE !!!!

A Tacit Confession?

Posted by Tim Rogers on June 26, 2007
Posted in Ben ColeLiberation TheologySBC Seminaries  | 29 Comments

On a recent blog article the writer called into question the veracity of an SBC Seminary education. The statement went; “… to get a seminary doctorate but are who are thereby less likely to find employment in the American academy.” From that statement it appears the author does not believe that one who receives a PhD. from one of our seminaries has the academic credentials to be employed within the world of academia. This reader would humbly disagree. However, that is not what this article is about. It seems the writer of the blog mentioned earlier confessed to something that he apparently did not realize. (Of course according to this article by the blogger he has spoken truth about me.>)) Allow me to state that I am no theologian and this area of expertise is something that I am lacking. For me to discuss theologians and their philosophies would be like a first year algebra student discussing calculus. Some of the concepts are familiar but a fuller understanding of theorem is lacking.

I am not about to discuss the finer understandings of Liberation Theology. I will say only that Liberation Theology implemented outside the sterility of academia will lead to Marxism. See here for a thorough discussion on Liberation Theology. The purpose of this article is to present something that Baptist support with no appearance of concern.

Academic Openness

Academic openness has been the proclamation of the Academy for years. I remember when Dr. Russ Bush was appointed to the faculty of SEBTS. The media and moderates began sounding the alarm that conservatives were turning their seminary into Bible Institutes. Bible Institutes were used in derogatory terms describing the lack of academic discipline. However, what many may not realize, would be Bible Institutes do turn out preachers. For example, we have in North Carolina a place named Fruitland Baptist Bible Institute. Fruitland has instructors teaching whose academic qualifications would not allow for them to teach in the world of academia. However, Fruitland turns out preachers. One thing that churches in North Carolina, South Carolina, Southwest Virginia and East Tennessee know, when you get a preacher from Fruitland you find, not only a Pastor, but you also get someone that can Preach. Dr. Kenneth Ridings has been Professor of Homiletics since 1968. Before that a little known preacher by the name of Dr. Charles Stanley taught Homiletics. One of the largest churhes in South Carolina has for her Senior Pastor, a graduate from Fruitland Baptist Bible Institute. Therefore, coming from a Bible Institute is not always a bad thing. Dr. Russ Bush has never taught at a Bible Institute, and was teaching in the Theology Department at SWBTS thus, has the academic credentials. But the moderates tried their best to paint him as unqualified for the position. Anyone that has taken Dr. Bush knows that he is more than qualified to teach in any school of academia.

According to the confessional charge of my Brother over at Baptist Blogger, the intellectual inbreeding [sic] of the SBC has created an educational degree that does not practice openness. He states that he received “no serious engagement with Liberation Theology.” I personally did not take every class that my Brother took at SEBTS, but I do remember being in Dr. Patterson’s first semester of Systematic Theology with my Brother. I do personally remember engaging Liberation Theology during a portion of that semester. Was there a class at SEBTS entitled Liberation Theology? No there wasn’t, but neither was there a class entitled Millennium Theology.

According to what I have been taught about academic openness, there is a presentation of the various arguments within the discipline then the student engages the various arguments. This leads to a student using other learned disciplines to arrive at a conclusion. Here I find the tacit confession of my Brother. His encounter with Dr. Ellis is described in this sentence. “With faculty and students hiding down the hall, my professor pounded his fists on his desk and told me that he “didn’t give a d______ (my deletion) what I thought.”

I only have three questions. Where is the engagement of academic openness? What would have been the outcry within the SBC and CBF if this would have happened at any one of our six seminaries? Where is the outcry from the Academy about a professor degrading a student in such a way based on inaccurate gossip?

Academic Dishonesty

An area of academic dishonest that is seen in this diatribe speaks about the culture of the SBC. “In fact, so concerned are Southern Baptists to limit exposure to these cultural influences that we are forced to consider the perennial efforts to remove our kids from public schools.” It seems that our Brother tacitly describes an education of anything other than public school is less than academic. Because a parent takes seriously their responsibility before God to insure their child gets a Christian World View we are now doing a dis-service to our children. Of course I have to remember who it is that is making this statement–a young man, never married, and not responsible for offspring.

This kind of statement reveals the academic dishonesty that is being taught within the educational system. It would appear that my Brother has bought into the age old rhetoric of the Academy. The rhetoric is such that Bible Colleges do not produce an educated minister. However, our Brother says; “Thus we may have created a vortex of ministry unpreparedness and biblical illiteracy from which we cannot extract ourselves, unless drastic measures are taken — and taken fast.” He argues for more intellectual openness and theological acumen but the he makes this statement concerning SBC education. I know that seminaries produce great educated pastors. But one thing that seminaries do not do–produce biblical literacy. I went to both a moderate University and a conservative Seminary, and at both I had to fill my electives with Bible classes.

I only have one question with two follow-up questions about academic dishonesty. Does one believe there to be a dichotomy between Biblical Literacy and an Educated Clergy? If yes, why present a need for Biblical Literacy? If no, how is the SBC inbreeding?

Academic Elitism

This area is rife throughout the entire article. Let me just show one example concerning the Liberation Theologians the author references. According to this article Dr. Gutierrez as founder of this discipline advocates:

true “liberation” has three main dimensions:

First, it involves political and social liberation, the elimination of the immediate causes of poverty and injustice.

Second, liberation involves the emancipation of the poor, the marginalised, the downtrodden and the oppressed from all “those things that limit their capacity to develop themselves freely and in dignity”.

Third, Liberation Theology involves liberation from selfishness and sin, a re-establishment of a relationship with God and with other people.

Our Brother at Baptist Blogger states; “Liberation theologians take seriously the words of Jesus, who told his disciples that the blessed poor were those for whom the gospel was intended.” Let’s see. Liberation theologians take seriously the words of Jesus, but then state the first thing that needs to take place is to change the political environment. I believe you will also hear Liberation theologians state that the government cannot mandate morality. When Jesus liberated me, He did not liberate me from culture. He presented Himself to me through the shackles of a redneck culture and liberated me from the shackles of sin. It also seems that Paul never once tried to change the political environment he found himself in and even was beheaded by Nero. Maybe someone should have told Paul about this liberation that he overlooked.

One other area of academic elitism is seen in this statement;

Those pastors and professors who contribute most to Southern Baptist life are those who have explored more diverse philosophical and theological perspectives than their counterparts of limited interaction with the mainline academy.

What appears to be said is that unless you have been widely educated and engaged all of the various disciplines you will not be able to contribute to Southern Baptist life. I need to remind my Brother that this very argument was leveled at the Conservative Resurgence. But, unlike my Brother, I began my theological studies under the former left theological leaning leadership. They taught exactly what they wanted you to know. I found conservative books and had to read them outside of class in order argue from the conservative view point. I need to remind my Brother that when the name Gleason Archer was presented to the former Administration at SEBTS the students were told he was not academically qualified to teach. When the name Carl F. H. Henry was presented, the former administration would not even respond.

Conclusion

It seems that we have found a confession by one that probably did not mean to confess all that came out of the article. The Academy is rife with elitism and it appears our Brother has fallen as prey to this elitism. I do pray for him and count him as one I can seek and get advice from. However, I must call him to task on his description of the SBC educational system as it is at the least not an unbiased description and at the most academic dishonesty.