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Dr. Norman Geisler has been impugned, ridiculed, maligned, and made to look like a buffoon, not by people who deny the faith, but by Brothers in Christ.  Dr. Geisler is a leading apologist in Evangelicalism, one of several framers of of Evangelical documents found in the International Council on Biblical Inerrancy, Founding President of the International Society of Christian Apologetics and member of many other scholarly societies. While all of these credentials are above what many have even accomplished, one thing stands out above all of these credentials–Dr. Geisler is a believer.  As such he deserves better than what he has been receiving from up and coming apologists.

Dr. Geisler revealed the Dr. Mike Licona inerrancy issue publicly after two months of private correspondence.  This open letter was made public only after Dr. Licona suggested the public route was the only one Dr. Geisler had available.  Dr. Licona did express to Dr. Geisler that he did not have time to work on the issue at present and he would be glad to review it when he wrote the revision for the book. Dr. Geisler, being an accomplished scholar/author knew a revision for a voluminous book of this nature would not become reality in the near future. Also, Dr. Geisler was aware this book was not a book of devotional reading but a reference book for a pastor’s shelf secondary, but primarily it would be a text book used to teach aspiring pastors and scholars.  Thus, Dr. Geisler presented the public letter calling on the evangelical community to examine Dr. Licona’s flawed results.

What has this public letter gotten Dr. Geisler for his efforts?  He has been attacked by young scholar/apologists that disagree with him.  Please do not misunderstand.  Good men can always disagree.  However, the way those whom disagree with Dr. Geisler on this issue cross the lines of descency and Christian charity. Just one example is the cartoon caricature YouTube video produced by, J.P. Holding who was the impetus behind the video with proud participation by Dr. Licona’s daughter and her husband Nick Peters.  These attacks have been sophmoric and absolutely beneath Brothers in Christ that call themselves apologists.  In his latest post J.P. Holding has now compared Dr. Geisler to a 4th century inquisitor who is rememberd as destroying over 8000 lives.  Thus, we have an apologist advocating that Dr. Geisler has the same moral outlook as a murderer.  What is even more amazing is these men have dealt with issues in the past and have dealt with them without using ad hominem approaches.  However, it seems that respect of a Christian Brother, especially one who has “fought in the trenches of worldview warfare for over 50 years”, has been lost on those who agree with Dr. Licona. What is truly amazing to me is the response of Dr. Licona to the video.  Instead of saying something concerning the poor taste of the video he does nothing but commend his son-in-law and even expressed the video was in “good taste”.

Some may call on Dr. Geisler as the one who began all of this.  I certainly would not disagree that Dr. Geisler did expose this discrepency of methodology to the evangelical world.  However, no one can point to any place that Dr. Geisler has referred to Dr. Licona as anything but a great scholar and one that he respects.  At no place has Dr. Geisler put down Dr. Licona’s views as “actually generally low-level…basic quality of his apologetics”.  At no time has anyone who has agreed with Dr.Geisler’s views ever posted something as non-Christian as the following; (Warning the following content may contain statements that are outside normal Godly conversation)

Oh yea, get a freaking sense of humor! Holy crap, these guys are little wusses. Your vid cracked me up! Remember when that one cartoonist drew that pic that somehow made fun of Muslims and they took to the streets rioting? I swear, I’m thinking of that with these pitiful butt hurt Geisler-zombies. They want to kick it off Youtube for inciting violence???? HAHAHHAAAHAHAAAA Oh please never let these losers in any Church leadership!! Please!

Oh, and if he is really doing this to promote his book, he’s a piece of you know what. Maybe he is getting senile with old age, or something . . .

However, as one observes the above statement and may believe I am cherry-picking items to make those that support Dr. Licona in this debate to look bad, you are not even close.  Go to this site or this site and you will see exactly what I mean about the ad hominem attacks that are common practice. Much of the material is great resource and sound observations.  But when someone disagrees, look out because the ad hominem begins.

How does Dr. Geisler respond?  He just keeps placing in the public eye the discrepencies of Dr. Licona and does so with a scholarly aptitude that is not returned by those who are in disagreement.  However, neither is Dr. Licona answering Dr. Geisler’s questions. Some may respond that Dr. Geisler has not answered the charges leveled at him by Dr. Licona’s supporters that present how Dr. Geisler has misunderstood Dr. Licona’s case.  That would be a fair argument if the positions were in Dr. Licona’s writings.  However, Dr. Licona has moved to a position that he is 50% convinced it could be a historical passage.  He also issued a statement where other scholars gave Dr. Licona’s position when they signed a statement that read:

“We the undersigned are aware of the above stated position by Dr. Michael Licona, including his present position pertaining to the report of the raised saints in Matthew 27: He proposes that the report may refer to a literal/historical event, a real event partially described in apocalyptic terms, or an apocalyptic symbol.”

First, Dr. Licona expresses his position in the book is based on outside resources other than the text.  This very statement places one outside the realm of inerrancy.  Notice his statement: “Further research over the last year in the Greco-Roman literature has led me to reexamine the position I took in my book”.  It isn’t the research of the text that has caused him to “reexamine the position”, but that of the “Greco-Roman literature”.  Second, Dr. Licona allows blogger/apologists Nick Peters, Max Andrews, and J.P. Holding to state and argue his positions with no answer from him.  Dr. Geisler makes the statement and then is attacked by these three with nothing more than Dr. Licona encouraging more of the same treatment. ( “I have received numerous emails from highly respected evangelicals who enjoyed the video as well. Keep up the good work, son. I truly believe you’re going to be one of the leading Christian bloggers within the next few years.”)

Dr. Geiselr, in his humble attitude and soft manner just keeps shining light on the darkness revealing where truth can be found–The Bible.  He has not been mean nor mean spirited in his public writings.  However, as for Dr. Licona and those who are supporting him that is another story.

Not all are accepting the antics of Dr. Licona’s supporters as a Christian charitable response to a debate.  Allow me to reveal to you what the interim President at Southern Evangelical Seminary has to say about the video, that was produced by J.P. Holding and affirmed by Dr. Licona, and how it promotes disunity in the Body of Christ.

 “It has come to the attention of the President of SES that a student has made a video about the controversy between Dr. Licona and Dr. Geisler.  We believe this video was totally unnecessary and is in extremely poor taste.  At SES we demand a high standard of conduct in the way we interact with others.  Whenever there is a disagreement on any issue, there is a respectful way to handle it.  As Christians, as brothers in Christ, there are occasions when we may have differences, but as members of one Body, we need to resolve our differences according to Scripture.  Publicly embarrassing anybody is totally unacceptable….”  — Acting President of Southern Evangelical Seminary

Great words and thoughts we need to observe.  Debate the points but don’t call each other names just because we cannot win the argument on merit.

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In the tradition of America’s favorite past-time I want to use a baseball analogy to express the recent debate concerning the position of Dr. Mike Licona on the Matthew 27:52 passage (The Resurrection of Jesus). Dr. Thomas Howe has once again presented tremendous insight into the inerrancy of the text.  Dr. Howe’s first article produced a solid base hit. In his follow-up articles, on this issue, he presents solid evidence the Matthew 27:52 passage is historical by using Old Testament scriptures. Dr. Howe then solidifies the position with an article concerning an inerrant approach to the text in the interpretation process.  I present the reader with his latest.

In Dr. Howe’s first article The Real Issue he connected solidly with an inside fast ball meant to move the hitter away from the plate.  This hit placed a runner on first.  Dr. Howe’s follow-up article Matthew and Daniel connects solidly with the inside high fast ball advancing the runner to second and the batter ends up on first.  In this article he expresses, using the text of the Old Testament book of Daniel, how the raised saints in Matthew 27:52 must be connected. Dr. Howe concludes in his article Matthew and Daniel

This connection between Daniel and Matthew indicates the necessity of taking the statement in Matt. 27:52 as an historical event. Also, this connection is used by Matthew as evidence that Jesus is the promised Messiah of Daniel’s prophecies. By taking references in Matthew’s Gospel, such as 27:52–53, as non-historical, Licona has inadvertently robbed the text of its witness to the Messiahship of Jesus.

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Dr. Thomas A. Howe, Ph.D, professor of Biblical Languages at Southern Evangelical Seminary, has written a series of articles concerning this issue.  In recent arguments some have debated that Dr. Licona is a Biblical Language scholar and as such has a level of expertise Dr. Geisler does not posses.  The question is a simple one. Does Dr. Licona’s position deny inerrancy? Dr. Howe says, Yes!!

Licona claims that the events in Matt. 27:52-53 did not actually occur because, as apocalyptic literature, Matthew did not intend them to be taken as referring to historical events. But Licona cannot know Matthew’s intent, and even if he did, it does not follow that because a text is apocalyptic that it cannot or does not refer to historical events. To claim that the events in Matthew’s text did not actually occur is simply not a matter of interpretation. Even if we take Matthew’s text to be apocalyptic, which is by no means certain, Matthew presents the events as actual historical events or as symbols of actual historical events, but nevertheless as events that actually happened. If they did not occur, Matthew’s Gospel is in error, and this is certainly a matter of inerrancy.

One can read the Dr. Howe’s complete article here. While some are taking off for the Christmas holidays, inerrancy does not take a holiday.  This is an issue that will tear evangelicalism apart.  It needs to be dealt with in the evangelical world not in the scholarly academy only.  Inerrancy is a doctrine of the church, Certainly the academy has produced scholars that affirm it and can articulate it in the academy. However, it is high time for the church and her leaders to clearly articulate seriousness of an issue that has the tendency to lead us back to denying the Word of God. While we all have friends and it is time for us to take seriously Proverbs 27 concerning our friends. “Faithful are the wounds of a friend”.

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Much has been made of the doctrine on inerrancy in the past four months.  Since Dr. Mike Licona’s book has been publicly reviewed, and found to be lacking in sound scholarship when it comes to inerrancy.  So far he has refused to retract his view, but has simply expressed some doubts about it. The best he has given is:

“…at present I am just as inclined to understand the narrative of the raised saints in Matthew 27 as a report of a factual (i.e., literal) event as I am to view it as an apocalyptic symbol. It may also be a report of a real event described partially in apocalyptic terms. I will be pleased to revise the relevant section in a future edition of my book.”

Notice that Dr. Licona still insists that Matthew could have presented this text as apocalyptic and, as such, it did not actually happen.  He takes an agnostic approach as he characterizes himself as “undecided” concerning that author’s intent of the text.  Enter the authorial intent doctrine that many inerrantist hold to tenaciously.  However, this is the first time I have seen it used to deny the historical-grammatical intent of the text when there was nothing other than outside sources that would call the text into question.

Enter Authorial Intent

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A leading sitcom titled “The Big Bang Theory” has made a huge splash in the world of television.  This sitcom is based on the world of geeky egghead professors.  One of the main characters, “Sheldon”, reveals the classic form of a geeky professorial type with his lack of common sense.  He comes across as a person that is absolutely oblivious to anything the common person understands.  He acknowledges that he does not know sarcasm when it is presented, but he also presents himself in an arrogant way in dealing with things of life.  That is what makes the show such a huge success with its viewers.  These geeks, while chasing after a the Nobel Peace Prize or being one of the top scientists in one’s field, understand life only from a scientific point of view but view truth as something they can create in the science lab.  Their ultimate desire is to be accepted in the world of academia.  These geeks will use whomever they need to and accept any theory of truth in order to gain that acceptance.

Enter the Evangelical Philosophical Society along with the recent gathering of the Evangelical Theological Society and Dr. Mike Licona.  Read more

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It seems that Dr. Norman Geisler has been invited to be part of a debate/discussion of Dr. Mike Licona’s position on Matthew 27:53 passage. Dr. Geisler has presented the points, Dr. Al Mohler, President of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, has affirmed Dr. Geisler’s position and this begs one question.  Why is Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary taking a stand that affirms the Matthew passage is a legend? I point out SEBTS’s position is one of affirming the scripture has errors for the following reasons.

First, Dr. Geisler has presented his position clearly and precisely as to the reason Dr. Licona rejects inerrancy in his methodology.  Dr. Mohler clearly agreed with the point and reminded the reader that any time one holds the Greco-Roman literature above the scriptures, it is a denial of inerrancy.

Second, Dr. Geisler points out the various other institutions of higher educations have distanced themselves from Dr. Licona’s position.  Read more

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It came to my attention that I placed Dr. Norman Geisler’s open response to Dr. Licona’s response to Dr. Al Mohler without presenting Dr. Licona’s initial response.  Thus, if you desire to see Dr. Al Mohler’s position on this issue you can see it here.  Below is Dr. Licona’s response to Dr. Mohler.  You can also see Dr. Geisler’s response to Dr. Licona here. You can see Dr. Al Mohler’s position on Dr. Licona’s book here.

Dr. Licona just does not get it.  Just one quote from Dr. Licona that makes my point.

The charge that I have “dehistoricized” the text is likewise problematic, since it likewise presupposes that Matthew intended the raised saints to be understood as historical. But what if he intended for them to be understood as apocalyptic symbols? It would then be misguided to “historicize” them.

Dr. Licona presents a position similar to those who deny Scripture and end up denying inerrancy and the resurrection.  One must remember that we are to approach all narrative passages of Scripture as historical unless there is clear evidence in the text of Scripture to inform us that it is not historical (aka, parables).  According to the Protestant principle that “Scripture intreprets Scripture”, no one claiming inerrancy of Scripture approaches a narrative passage questioning the factual historicity of the events it records.  If one questions the factual history of Scripture based on secular reasoning and outside pagan genre declarations, then one has already predetermined portions of the Scriptures to be inaccurate.  We argue from Scripture not with Scripture.

The Devil is Indeed in the Details and We Do Well Not to Ignore Them: A Brief Response to Al Moher

Because I am leaving the country today and must attend to last minute preparations, brevity is required. I am grateful to Dr. Mohler for his kind remarks pertaining to both me and my book, which has recently raised quite a bit of controversy in certain evangelical circles. Although I disagree with much of what he has asserted pertaining to my treatment of the raised saints in Matthew 27:52-53, one should not doubt my respect for him and gratitude for the contributions he has made for the cause of Christ and to the Southern Baptist Convention.

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Dr. Norman Geisler has placed and excellent rebuttal to Dr. Licona’s response to Dr. Al Mohler.  Dr. Geisler has place his response in the public view.  I place it here as his position is an excellent one.

A Response to Mike Licona’s Defense of Dehistoricizing the Resurrection of the Saints in Matthew 27

Norman L. Geisler

I wish to express my appreciation to Mike Licona for his belated response to some of the issues I raised about his view over two month ago.  While this response was no doubt prompted by the superb treatment of the matter by Dr. Al Mohler that was just placed on his web site, Licona’s response is better late than never. Before addressing Licona’s defense of this view, it is noteworthy that he acknowledges that it  is a denial of the historicity of the resurrection of the saints in Matthew 27 and says clearly “which is my position.”  Indeed, he has still not retracted his in-print view that this event is a “legend.” As for Licona’s defense of his view, he offers several arguments.  Let me address them briefly.

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Dr. Mike Licona

Dr. Norman Geisler has responded to Dr. Mike Licona’s statement.  You can read Dr. Geisler’s reasoning at this link.  Please follow that link as he gives more

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detail than I cover here.  He basically points out eight flaws in Dr. Licona’s statement.  I have placed these flaws here for your reading.

First, Licona has not recanted his denial of the historicity of the resurrection of the saints in Matthew 27.  At best, he is no longer as certain of the view as he once was.  Further, whatever his final thoughts, he is convinced that this published view is compatible with inerrancy.  Yet this kind of “dehistoricizing” of the Gospels is the same reason that Robert Gundry was asked by an overwhelming majority to resign from the Evangelical Theological Society (ETS), of which Licona is a member.

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