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After some searching I found out something very interesting.  Dr. Page sought the advice of Dr. Dockery in the formation of this “group of advisers”.  It is this very issue that Dr. Page seems to be overlooking and not getting.  Dr. Dockery is the President of Union University–the very place that Dr. Frank Page serves as Trustee and will be until 2015.  It is the “good ole boy” network that has kept us from dealing with the issues and Dr. Page’s reliance on Dr. Dockery’s assistance clearly pushes the envelope of open and transparent discourse.

Dr. Page has now formed his committee and it speaks volumes about the problem in the convention.  The problem, according to Dr. Page, is “practical in nature not doctrinal.” Thus, according to Dr. Page we do not have a disagreement over theology but our disagreement is over how we get along together with the different theological slants that drive us.  Dr. Page presented, in this edition of Baptist Press, a more in depth analysis of the task before the “group of advisers”.

With that in mind I want to explore two things the formation of this “group of advisers” says about the issue before us.  It is evident this “group of advisers” will have no authority in their outcome. Also, it is evident that the “group of advisers” is formed to present a top-down solution for the issues before the convention.

First, we have another official/unofficial group of people acting in a position that will bring about an official/unofficial solution for a problem.

Dr. Frank Page

“My goal is to develop a strategy whereby people of various theological persuasions can purposely work together in missions and evangelism,” Page told Baptist Press.

Page emphasized that the group is “not an official committee” of the convention. He also said additional names could be added to the group.

“It’s a group of helpers helping Frank Page come up with some sort of strategy document.”

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After the announcement of The Gospel Project, Peter Lumpkins exposed the hard line Calvinist doctrine that was being pushed on Southern Baptists. The Gospel Project is a new Sunday School curriculum that promotes a Calvinistic doctrine while not referencing the reformed slant but instead refers to it as “The Gospel”. Now, for the marketing plan, LifeWay is giving to the churches that sign-up for the curriculum a quarter of material free of charge.

After this move it makes pastors suspicious of new projects that come from LifeWay.  Today I was opening my mail at the church and found a catalog for “Women’s Ministry”.  As I was perusing the various bible studies I took special note of the female authors. The usual ones were there, Beth Moore, Priscilla Shirer, Kay Arthur, etc. etc.  There were multiple authors that I did not recognize that were much younger and seemingly new that were being featured by LifeWay.  Then, to my surprise, I saw a author that would be normally classified as a Moderate. Margaret Feinberg is a author that would not be able to affirm the Baptist Faith and Message 2000.  Notice her debate with Dr. Voddie Baucham in a CNN interview.

It seems that Margaret Feinberg would not affirm “the office of pastor is limited to men as qualified by Scripture” As a result of the CNN debate Jonathan Merritt describes Dr. Baucham’s response as, “looney-toon comment“. Read more

We were told at the past yearly meeting of Southern Baptists that we needed to trust the Trustee System.  After that statement by Dr. Thom Rainer, President of LifeWay, I gave a hearty Amen! As I think about his statement and view the recent Baptist Press public service announcement for the North American Mission Board (NAMB) I am struck with where my allegiance lies.  Yes,  I trust the Trustee System, but it is the sitting trustees that I am beginning to lose faith in.

The beginning of Great Commission Resurgence occurred when Dr. Danny Akin in a chapel message “The Axioms of a Great Commission”, (cannot be accessed through Between the Times) and is noted to be the inspiration of the GCR Declaration, spoke of a “bloated bureaucracy”. Read more

Dr. Eric Hankins

Dr. Eric Hankins, as was announced on May 30, will be nominated by Dr. Clint Pressley for the position of 2nd VP.  Dr. Hankins has my support and I plan to encourage everyone I speak with at the convention to support him also.  I am passionate about the nomination of Dr. Hankins and this passion reveals itself as a result of three reasons. These three reasons reveal something about Dr. Hankins that his newly announced opponent is not able to affirm without a wink of his eye.

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Jerry (Dr. Jerry Vines) Rice

Jerry Rice was one of the best wide receivers in the history of the NFL. When he played past the time that many men would be sidelined, Jerry Rice could still make amazing catches and take it into the end zone for a touch down. Jerry Rice was not only noted for his gentle hands in catching the ball but he was also noted for leaving the end zone dances to the younger up start receivers.

Well, we have our own Jerry Rice in the Southern Baptist Convention–Dr. Jerry Vines. Dr. Vines is no longer calling the plays, but he is still the “go to” guy when we need a statesman’s voice. Dr. Vines delivered such a statement yesterday on his Vines Lines blog.  Dr. Vines responded to Dr. Mohler and really called it what it is–an Elephant in the Room.  Dr. Vines expressed a statesmen like attitude and tone in his OP.  He never spoke down or condescending to Dr. Mohler or about Calvinists.

Dr. Vines expressed his concerns on two levels.  First, Dr. Vines senses that Dr. Mohler doesn’t believe those signing the document are astute enough to see Semi-Pelagianism when we read it.  The second concern Dr. Vines expressed is the different breed of Calvinism that is invading our ranks today.  Dr. Vines expressed that he has no desire and is hesitant to engage in a fight with friends. However, as he said, let the discussion begin.  I encourage you to read Dr. Vines words.

He is growing old and he doesn’t have three of the hairs he once had on top of his head, but the old man can still catch the pass and take it to the end zone. In his retirement years I am praying that he doesn’t accept an invitation to Dancing with the Stars.

Dr. Albert Mohler, President of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, has released a statement concerning the movement of a group of Southern Baptist Pastors.  On May 31, 2012 a statement entitled, “A Statement of the Traditional Southern Baptist Understanding of God’s Plan of Salvation” was released to the public.  This statement was formed by a group of pastors that were concerned the majority of Southern Baptists were not represented well with the term “non-Calvinist”. We desired to positively express our position and begin a convention-wide conversation where our viewpoint would be listened to and affirmed.  As Dr. Eric Hankins said to me in one specific conversation; “if we find out that it is only you and me then we step back acknowledging we are wrong and begging the forgiveness of the convention.”  We desire to have a conversation and see this conversation produce amenable ends that will move forward the Great Commission.

A few observations concerning Dr. Mohler’s statement seem to be in order at this time.  First, Dr. Mohler’s words certainly are music to my ears.  For many years we were told there was nothing to talk about because the BF&M says all we need to say on this issue. Dr. Mohler even states as much in his response when he says;

“This means that every single Southern Baptist should be ready to work gladly with every other Southern Baptist who stands within the Baptist Faith & Message.”

It is this type of response that we are used to.  However, Dr. Mohler goes further than just hinging everything on the BF&M.  He acknowledges our concerns and even affirms our position in expressing these concerns.

Second, Dr. Mohler appears to desire a sit down.  But, whom does he desire to sit down and discuss the differences?  Dr. Patterson? Dr. Moore? Dr. Akin?  This is a group of Pastors that began this movement.  If Dr. Mohler truly desires to sit down and discuss this issue, it needs to take place, at the least, with the pastors whose names are on the document.

Third, Dr. Mohler is very affirmative in his acknowledgment of the rights we posses as individual Baptists to place our convictions on paper.  Thank you Dr. Mohler because we have seen statements from others questioning our motives in placing this before the convention.  You have not questioned our motives and for that I do thank you.

As to my position on Dr. Mohler’s statement, I would affirm him in a positive way.  He truly seems to try and acknowledge our position.  However, it is that very issue that brings a halt in my spirit in his assessment.  I hesitate to heap too many accolades on his statement for three reasons.

First his warning against “theological tribalism”. Read more

The following are the ten articles of affirmation and denial concerning a traditional Southern Baptist soteriology that has garnered so much discussion on the blogs the past couple of days.  Alan Cross has spoken very wise words in his comments over at SBC Voices.  Thus, his words are very much appreciated and should be investigated.  With that in mind I have placed the articles below and would like your input concerning articles one may have disagreement over.

Before someone gripes about the format of the Affirmations vs Denials let me help you on reading the document.  The affirmations is what we believe and the denials express what we are not saying in the affirmations.  Clearly it is the format of the Chicago Statement of Inerrancy.  Now, we do not expect Calvinists to agree with the document.  It was not written for Calvinists.  The document was written for the simple fact that we wanted to clearly state where we stood and what we believed.  After all, we are confessional Baptists, right?

Articles of Affirmation and Denial

Article One: The Gospel

We affirm that the Gospel is the good news that God has made a way of salvation through the life, death, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ for any person. This is in keeping with God’s desire for every person to be saved.

We deny that only a select few are capable of responding to the Gospel while the rest are predestined to an eternity in hell.

Genesis 3:15; Psalm 2:1-12; Ezekiel 18:23, 32; Luke 19.10; Luke 24:45-49; John 1:1-18, 3:16; Romans 1:1-6, 5:8; 8:34; 2 Corinthians 5:17-21; Galatians 4:4-7; Colossians 1:21-23; 1 Timothy 2:3-4; Hebrews 1:1-3; 4:14-16; 2 Peter 3:9

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When I was 18 years old I purchased a 1973 Chevorlet Nova Super Sport that had a 350 cubit inch motor with a Holey four barrel carburetor. This was my dream machine as I would load into it with my polyester leisure suit to take out my special date.  It was a wonderful car and I thorougly enjoyed going through the gear box of the four speed Muncie M-22 rockcrusher transmission with the Hurst shifter. I wrecked this car and decided to just sell it to the junk yard and purchase another one.  My daddy tried to encourage me to fix it as he said the motor and transmission was worth fixing the body.  I would not listen to him and sold it for junk for the grand total of $200.  Today, just the transmission alone is worth $1,800 and what a classic it would be to sport around in that car. However, the decision was made to move to another car and I have regretted that decision every since.

As I observe the Cooperative Program (CP) I become nostalgic for the days of my early automobiles.  While my ’73 Nova was not damaged beyond repair it would have been worthy of fixing the body and continuing to enjoy the use of that automobile.  The Nova was paid for and the insurance was relatively reasonable.  The upkeep in gas was not so reasonable but with gas at fifty cents a gallon who cared that we drove out 10 gallons a week? As I look at the CP today I must ask myself the same question that I pondered after I wrecked my Nova.  It is worth fixing or is it better to move to another planned giving strategy?  I believe the answer to that question is one we need to give serious consideration as a convention.

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There is a move by the Executive Committee to allow Southern Baptists to choose between calling themselves by the official name or referring to themselves by an officially proposed unofficial official name–The Great Commission Baptists.  While this is an “unofficial” name the convention will “officially” vote on it in June at the convention held this year in New Orleans.

I only have one question to ask; “What is our leaders thinking?” Do they not remember when the Alliance of Baptists formed?  Have they forgotten how much chaos that caused within the convention? Do they not remember the competing Pastors Conferences?  Do they not remember the constant fussing and fighting that marked the convention during those days?  The amazing thing that has caught my attention is the reason being placed before us in favor of a name change new nickname-because we have a past of fussing and fighting.  This  move to officially/unofficially change our name add a nickname certainly has not diminished the fussing and fighting history, but exacerbated it.

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