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In a recent Baptist Press article, that is nothing more than a public relations article, we see something that is sandwiched in the “Other Action” section of a report on the recent North American Mission Board (NAMB) Trustee meeting. The report reads:

“Trustees approved guidelines for NAMB church planters in relationship to other church planting networks.”

After contacting the Vice President of the Communications Group with NAMB, Mike Ebert, and being caught up in the voice mail network and finally leaving a message I still cannot find a copy of the guidelines.  To be fair it maybe Ebert is traveling and will not be in the office until Monday. NAMB is within their rights to make this decision. The problem exists that we are now partnering with other church planting networks and no one I can find has any idea what those guidelines are that we operate within.

Let me make this as clear as I know how.  NAMB is an autonomous entity and they constantly scream that we need to trust them in their appointments and those that are funded.  I say, fine I want to trust you.  However, with the trustees recently removing the 2006 Presidential restrictions and now announcing “guidelines for NAMB church planters in relationship with other church planting networks” without producing such guidelines it seems something is not above board. If we are asked to trust someone then that someone should produce the openness and transparency needed for us to support.

According to William Thornton the Partnership Guidelines are five statements.  You can see them here.

Pastor Steven Furtick is Senior Pastor of Elevation Church here in Charlotte, NC.  Many times he has preached things that would be considered, at best, “prosperity” teaching.  I have seen that when he does focus on preaching the Gospel it is evangelistic and straight.  He has made some blunders saying that theology/doctrine is not something he involves himself in and if someone wants doctrine then they need to go to some other church.  How one separates theology from salvation is beyond me but I believe he is beginning to see the discrepancy  in that statement. I would chalk things like that up to his youthful beginnings. I witnessed in person, in 2010, Pastor Furtick preach at Vintage 21, a contemporary church in Raleigh, NC. He did a descent job but never used his bible though he did reference scriptures throughout his message. He spoke on faith and how God led him throughout his ministry in Charlotte.  I remember two things crossed my mind while hearing Pastor Furtick.  First, I remember sensing the faith growth of such a young Pastor.  Pastor Furtick expressed how he told his congregation their first Easter service there would be over 2000 people in their service the following Easter. He said after he left that Sunday he went home asking his wife; “what was I thinking?” Second, I sat there thanking God that I was not catapulted into a ministry with the kind of audience Pastor Furtick has.  He is 31 and preaches each Sunday to over 10,000 people.  When I was 33 I was preaching to 100 people and thank God the church did not have a recording system.  There are many things I said in those first years of preaching that I have changed.

I must admit that I have been cautious of Pastor Furtick every since I called Elevation to get information about the way they form their small group ministry.  When asking about that particular part of their ministry, I was told by the person they did not have a “membership” roll for their church.  Thus, all of these baptisms they record are not baptisms into a local church they are just baptisms.  From this conversation I admit that I could not, and still do not,  understand how they can take such a position.

I knew that Elevation was a church plant the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina (BSCNC) started, without that much support I understand, but they are affiliated with the BSCNC. It is through their affiliation with the BSCNC that Elevation is affiliated with the SBC. Of course if you look at their website one will not see any place where they are affiliated.  However, Pastor Furtick clearly stated they are a Southern Baptist church in Session 1 of Elephant Room II:

“We are a Southern Baptist church. From the perspective of the 31 year old, I’m not playing the youth card. Just maybe to say to my denomination – let’s not be too cavalier to dismiss infrastructures that people have sacrificed to build and we have benefited from. Where is the honor for prices paid in the past? We need to have respect for the pioneers who paved the way. When we decided to affiliate with the Southern baptist Convention, people said we wouldn’t reach anyone. But I had been trained in two Southern baptist schools. We felt a sense of loyalty (not that supersedes loyalty to Christ) that we should stay in the SBC.”

What was amazing about this revelation was that James MacDonald did not know this.  He confessed to preaching at Elevation but not realizing the church was a Southern Baptist Church.  Which leads to a very simple question. What does a Southern Baptist Church look like?  If Elevation can be a Southern Baptist church and people not know it, then it begs to question, why are we spending so much time on discussing a name change?

I have to admit, Pastor Furtick did an excellent job expressing what I would like to hear and see lived out from all younger pastors.  One thing I would ask Pastor Furtick is to live his words with a commitment to the Cooperative Program–the chain of sand with the strength of steel.  It is the Cooperative Program that is the heart and soul of defining cooperation within our convention.

In my previous two posts I dealt with the false perception that discrimination was a valid reason to change the name. I also presented an argument that church planters do not go door to door expressing inviting people to come to their ‘Southern Baptist Church’.  This final post will be a two-part post to deal with separating from our past.  It seems that is another reason that we are hearing from those advocating a name change–our past is objectionable to some in leadership today.

While some are not as bold as to say we need to separate from our past they will speak about the “rich heritage” we have in the SBC.  Whenever they speak about this “rich heritage” they will use only the names of those they admire.  For example one writer expressed his admiration of our “rich heritage” but never once mentioned the names of Dr. Hershel Hobbs, Dr. Cecil Sherman, Dr. Olin T. Binkley, or Dr. L.R. Scarborough.  Granted the writer was only mentioning names and I will give that benefit of the doubt.  However, we cannot separate ourselves from the facts of our theological differences and how we work through those differences are the jewels of our “rich heritage”.

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In future posts in this series on name changes I will attempt to show how a discriminatory attitude is allowed to run rampant among those that desire to change the name.  Those of us who live in the south are caricatured as being dumb, backwoods, and in-bred.  This attitude is not only allowed to be articulated by name change proponents but is articulated as a reason to change the name.  In this initial post I want to look at the professed foundational reason name change proponents desire to see the name change–church planting.

We are told that up north and in the mid-west the name “southern” is a hindrance to church planting.  There seems to be a simple question everyone is overlooking.  Why is the name of the convention an obstacle to church growth?  When the church planters go out and invite people to become part of the church plant what are they telling these prospects? It seems that many are using this argument for the simple reason they do not like the name “Southern” or “Baptist”.  If one will notice the overwhelming new church starts have been done without using the name “Baptist”.  Thus, one has to wonder the reason for removing the “Baptist” moniker.

We are now informed by the apparent voice of the new SBC, er whatever cool name is presented, Jonathan Merritt that neither “Southern”, nor “Baptist” will be able to remain in the new name.  Read more

I understand that spending cuts at NAMB in order to channel available funds to its church-planting program included an elimination of support to the Conference of Southern Baptist Evangelists (COSBE).

Max

The comment above was third in the comment stream for a post here at Southern Baptist in NC.  The post was one where I analyzed the recent NAMB mission statement that was approved at the convention in June.  Brother Max commented concerning the COSBE cuts made by NAMB and certainly we have many full-time itinerant Evangelists concerned over their relationship with the entity that was created in order to evangelize North America.

My concerns about this new mission statement covered four areas and not one of these areas had anything to do with COSBE. In all four areas my concern was the appearance of eliminating any kind of partnership with the local association.  When Brother Max brought to my attention the concern of elimination of COSBE I remembered how church planting here in NC, at one time, was not producing churches that were known for baptizing people.  To my recollection there was a time in NC that we did not see a significant increase in baptisms among our church plants.  That concern was voiced throughout the pastors of NC and within the halls of the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina (BSCNC) offices in Cary. Thus, I responded to Max with the following comment.

I believe you are correct. That is what I understand. What you will find if you check with state conventions is they are eliminating Evangelism Director and even entire evangelism departments. Many are going with just church planting.

Here in NC, our Evangelism Director had a come to Jesus meeting [Emphasis were not in original comment] with our Executive Director/Treasurer concerning church planting boot camp without training the church planter in evangelism training. The results of that meeting was an implementation of evangelism training in the church planting boot camp and that resulted in church plants growing.

We seem to have gone to a new evangelism of just planting churches. Read the Church Planting report of our recent BSC Board of Directors meeting. We are seeing many churches planted and many baptisms. Thus, it seems all one has to do is plant a church if one wants to see baptisms increase.

Blessings,
Tim

Many times comments garner me emails and sometimes a phone call or two.  Some emails and phone calls are very cordial and encouraging while others are not so encouraging or cordial.  I have come to understand that you take the good with the bad.  Well, this comment did more than garner me a phone call, it brought about a follow-up visit from Brother Don McCutcheon, Executive Director of our Evangelization Department.

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****Was informed today that our convention has expressed there are no new funds for church plants coming from NAMB due to the reorganization.  We were told that $9 million was freed up to be used to plant churches by NAMB leadership.  It seems that the pipeline is now clogged by the bureaucracy of getting more funds to the field.****

The familiarity of the title for this post dates one back to the 1970 Apollo 13 mission that was termed a “successful failure.”  The original statement was; “Houston; we have had a problem” and those words I remember hearing on the CBS News coverage echoes in my mind.  However, when the original film came out in 1974, it was a fictional based movie that changed the tag line from; “we’ve had” to “we have”.  The purpose of this was the tense use made it appear the problem was behind them, when in reality the problem was very real and was about to cause, not only the mission to be cut short, but could result in the demise of the astronauts.

With that illustration in mind, I want to change the title to “Cary; We Have a Problem!!”  This problem is not something that has just happened but something that is on going.  What is that something?  Church planting in other states.  There are a number of reasons that I am against the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina (BSCNC) planting churches.  The main reason is according to a Biblical standard, churches plant churches not associations, conventions, nor entities. However, the second reason I am against the BSCNC planting churches is the double-dipping of Cooperative Program funds.  What do I mean?

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