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We were told at the past yearly meeting of Southern Baptists that we needed to trust the Trustee System.  After that statement by Dr. Thom Rainer, President of LifeWay, I gave a hearty Amen! As I think about his statement and view the recent Baptist Press public service announcement for the North American Mission Board (NAMB) I am struck with where my allegiance lies.  Yes,  I trust the Trustee System, but it is the sitting trustees that I am beginning to lose faith in.

The beginning of Great Commission Resurgence occurred when Dr. Danny Akin in a chapel message “The Axioms of a Great Commission”, (cannot be accessed through Between the Times) and is noted to be the inspiration of the GCR Declaration, spoke of a “bloated bureaucracy”. Read more

When I was 18 years old I purchased a 1973 Chevorlet Nova Super Sport that had a 350 cubit inch motor with a Holey four barrel carburetor. This was my dream machine as I would load into it with my polyester leisure suit to take out my special date.  It was a wonderful car and I thorougly enjoyed going through the gear box of the four speed Muncie M-22 rockcrusher transmission with the Hurst shifter. I wrecked this car and decided to just sell it to the junk yard and purchase another one.  My daddy tried to encourage me to fix it as he said the motor and transmission was worth fixing the body.  I would not listen to him and sold it for junk for the grand total of $200.  Today, just the transmission alone is worth $1,800 and what a classic it would be to sport around in that car. However, the decision was made to move to another car and I have regretted that decision every since.

As I observe the Cooperative Program (CP) I become nostalgic for the days of my early automobiles.  While my ’73 Nova was not damaged beyond repair it would have been worthy of fixing the body and continuing to enjoy the use of that automobile.  The Nova was paid for and the insurance was relatively reasonable.  The upkeep in gas was not so reasonable but with gas at fifty cents a gallon who cared that we drove out 10 gallons a week? As I look at the CP today I must ask myself the same question that I pondered after I wrecked my Nova.  It is worth fixing or is it better to move to another planned giving strategy?  I believe the answer to that question is one we need to give serious consideration as a convention.

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Pastor Steven Furtick is Senior Pastor of Elevation Church here in Charlotte, NC.  Many times he has preached things that would be considered, at best, “prosperity” teaching.  I have seen that when he does focus on preaching the Gospel it is evangelistic and straight.  He has made some blunders saying that theology/doctrine is not something he involves himself in and if someone wants doctrine then they need to go to some other church.  How one separates theology from salvation is beyond me but I believe he is beginning to see the discrepancy  in that statement. I would chalk things like that up to his youthful beginnings. I witnessed in person, in 2010, Pastor Furtick preach at Vintage 21, a contemporary church in Raleigh, NC. He did a descent job but never used his bible though he did reference scriptures throughout his message. He spoke on faith and how God led him throughout his ministry in Charlotte.  I remember two things crossed my mind while hearing Pastor Furtick.  First, I remember sensing the faith growth of such a young Pastor.  Pastor Furtick expressed how he told his congregation their first Easter service there would be over 2000 people in their service the following Easter. He said after he left that Sunday he went home asking his wife; “what was I thinking?” Second, I sat there thanking God that I was not catapulted into a ministry with the kind of audience Pastor Furtick has.  He is 31 and preaches each Sunday to over 10,000 people.  When I was 33 I was preaching to 100 people and thank God the church did not have a recording system.  There are many things I said in those first years of preaching that I have changed.

I must admit that I have been cautious of Pastor Furtick every since I called Elevation to get information about the way they form their small group ministry.  When asking about that particular part of their ministry, I was told by the person they did not have a “membership” roll for their church.  Thus, all of these baptisms they record are not baptisms into a local church they are just baptisms.  From this conversation I admit that I could not, and still do not,  understand how they can take such a position.

I knew that Elevation was a church plant the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina (BSCNC) started, without that much support I understand, but they are affiliated with the BSCNC. It is through their affiliation with the BSCNC that Elevation is affiliated with the SBC. Of course if you look at their website one will not see any place where they are affiliated.  However, Pastor Furtick clearly stated they are a Southern Baptist church in Session 1 of Elephant Room II:

“We are a Southern Baptist church. From the perspective of the 31 year old, I’m not playing the youth card. Just maybe to say to my denomination – let’s not be too cavalier to dismiss infrastructures that people have sacrificed to build and we have benefited from. Where is the honor for prices paid in the past? We need to have respect for the pioneers who paved the way. When we decided to affiliate with the Southern baptist Convention, people said we wouldn’t reach anyone. But I had been trained in two Southern baptist schools. We felt a sense of loyalty (not that supersedes loyalty to Christ) that we should stay in the SBC.”

What was amazing about this revelation was that James MacDonald did not know this.  He confessed to preaching at Elevation but not realizing the church was a Southern Baptist Church.  Which leads to a very simple question. What does a Southern Baptist Church look like?  If Elevation can be a Southern Baptist church and people not know it, then it begs to question, why are we spending so much time on discussing a name change?

I have to admit, Pastor Furtick did an excellent job expressing what I would like to hear and see lived out from all younger pastors.  One thing I would ask Pastor Furtick is to live his words with a commitment to the Cooperative Program–the chain of sand with the strength of steel.  It is the Cooperative Program that is the heart and soul of defining cooperation within our convention.

Pastor Dr. Jimmy Scroggins, in an interview at the Southern Baptist Convention, said concerning giving to the Cooperative Program; “If, I as a pastor, believe there is a better investment for this dollar, than the Cooperative Program, then I am in sin leading my church to give to the Cooperative Program.”  Dr. Scroggins then describes the competing agencies that Pastors could lead their churches to support–”Compassion International, Red Cross, YMCA, Mission Aviation Flights…”

Herein lies the differences that I believe are causing such a huge divide in our convention.  Dr. Scroggins clearly states that he understands the mentioned SBC agencies are mission agencies that are presenting the Gospel.  Let me say one thing before I move on.  If, in the minds of younger pastors and SBC Leaders, we are competing with other agencies for missions monies then we are in sad shape as a convention.  It is not that I give carte blanche trust to agencies just because they are under the SBC umbrella.  However, the entities of the SBC have, first and foremost, for their mission to present the Gospel.  Notice a few examples we see from various SBC Entities Vision Statements:

Lifeway

LifeWay Christian Resources exists to assist churches and believers to evangelize the world to Christ, develop believers, and grow churches by being the best provider of relevant, high quality, high value Christian products and services.

International Mission Board

Our mission is to make disciples of all peoples in fulfillment of the Great Commission.

The Ethics and Religious Liberties Committee

To awaken, inform, energize, equip, and mobilize Christians to be the catalysts for the Biblically-based transformation of their families, churches, communities, and the nation.

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In the last installment this writer expressed his concern about where he saw the Seminaries, The ELRC and Executive Committee, and Doctrine  in 2025.  In this post we will look at this writer’s non-scientific future prediction for the Mission Organizations, Local Associations, and the Cooperative Program in 2025.

Mission Organizations

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At Ebenezer Baptist Church, where I serve, various ministry groups visit and we often take up special offerings for them.  Many times we would find out months later that some members continued to send money to that particular ministry, designating it through the church.  But we eventually took a stand and set a policy that the church would only forward funds to outside ministries specifically approved by the whole body and we asked individuals to send contributions to their special interest ministries directly and without the imprimatur of the congregation.

We felt it was inappropriate to tie the church to a ministry without the consensus support of the entire membership.

Now Southern Baptists have learned that the North American Mission Board is not using this same type of discretion in the distribution of church planting funds Southern Baptists have contributed through the Annie Armstrong Easter Offering.

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Cooperative Program; It Works

Posted by Tim Rogers on March 31, 2011
Posted in Cooperative Program 

Chance Darlington

In a day when the Cooperative Program has been relegated to the back yard like the weird uncle that unexpectedly shows up at the family reunion, we have a young pastor step up and deliver a great word.  Chance Darlington, Pastor of The Church at Pine Level located in Deatsville, Alabama, has presented a well articulated position on the purpose of supporting the Cooperative Program.  I encourage you to read his article as it is a word that every Southern Baptist should take to heart.

As our Budget Committee met this past year we had a discussion concerning the investment we give to the Cooperative Program (CP).  In that discussion we spoke about the mission trip we were planning for Honduras this summer.  It was questioned if we could take some of the money we were giving to the CP and use it for our Mission Team this summer.  It was then that I expressed my reasoning for not doing such a thing.  With that in mind I want to share my reasons on the blog because it is, I believe, the same reasons that many SBC churches are not funding the CP and Lottie Moon as they have in the past.

Mission Teams are Short Term

The very understanding of a mission team from a local church is that they are going to be there only on a short term basis.  While some churches adopt an area or people group and go back year after year, they still are only short term teams.  The funding for short term mission trips is something that is very expensive.  Take for example, a trip to Honduras.  It is believed that we should be able to travel from Charlotte, NC to Honduras for the approximate cost of $1000.00.  This trip will cover seven days and the cost covers food, lodging, and air travel.  If we have six people go on this trip we will spend $6,000.00 of church funds.  For those who do not know, $6,000.00 is what we gave as a church to Lottie Moon.  Thus, we have a way to compare the effectiveness of the $’s.

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Louisiana Baptist (LBC) must be drinking from the same fountain that I am drinking.  I sent a resolution to the Resolution Committee of the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina (BSCNC) entitled “Accentuating the Cooperative Program”.  In that three and one-half page resolution it was a history lesson in the “Whereas” statements on the Cooperative Program (CP).  The resolves called on the BSCNC to recognize the CP as the only missions giving platform.  Shortly after that resolution was affirmed as being recieved by the BSCNC committee, the LBC resolution ran in Baptist Press.  Boy, what a shot in the arm it was for me to see, not only a state convention Executive Committee affirm their Executive Director, but also recognize the CP as their main funding source for missions.

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