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This is my last article concerning the question asked of Dr. Al Mohler by Peter Lumpkins.  Unless there are future developments I will, after this article, stop speaking of this matter.  I have presented, what I believe to be, a well reasoned approach that neither takes unfair shots at Dr. Mohler nor allows his statements to go unquestioned.  I do pray that Dr. Mohler will respond to clarify how he sees Southern Baptists practicing a form of homophobia, and to give evidence of past lies concerning the nature of homosexuality.

With all of that said a sad by-line of this matter lies in the coverage, or lack thereof, of our denominational news organization.  When one views the article concerning the seminary reports one will notice something conspicuously missing.  Read more

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Building Bridges–Dr. Danny Akin

Posted by Tim Rogers on November 28, 2007
Posted in CalvinismDr. Danny Akin  | 17 Comments

Answering the Call to a Great Commission Resurgence?

Our issues must not be caricatured or misrepresented. There is a void if not a vacum of leadership in the SBC. What is clear is that we need Godly men that will help us move forward.

Earlier Dr. Akin and others began discussing building on the Conservative Resurgence and beginning a Great Commission Resurgence. This will be wed to clear theological standards.

Why should we come together and how shall we come together?

  • We are in agreement as to a common Confession of Faith to guide us, The Baptit Faith and message 2000

This statement is sufficient to guide us. Some confess more but we will not confess less than what this statement confesses.

  • We are in agreement on the inerrancy, infallability and sufficiency of the Bible.

Some would say the battle for Bible is over. Dr. akin

  • We are in agreement on the necessity of a regenerate church.

It is biblical

SB have always believed this.

  • We are in agreement in the exclusivity of the Gospel.

The heresy of universalism is not welcome in the SBC. How can we who call him Lord do any less than make it exclusive.

  • We are in agreement on the sinfulness and lostness of humanity apart from Christ.
  • We are in agreement that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Salvation is a free gift in which humans works plays no part.

We both approve God’s sovereignty and Man’s free will.

  • We are in agreement that the Great Commission is a divinely mandated assignment given to the Church by the Lord Jesus and that it is a task we are to give ourselves until the end of the age.

There are too many non-Calvinist that talk the talk but do not walk the walk. we all have much to repent of. it is not our verbatim agreement on the Great Commission but it is our obedience to the Great Commission.

How can we come together?

I see Dr. Paige Patterson as my father in the ministry. I see Dr. Al Mohler as my best friend. Of the time I have been together with them both, I have never felt a tension to work together with either of them.

  • Wee need a sound theology, not a soft theology or a straight-jacket theology.

Our agreement on the BF&M 2k is an asset not a liability. there is nothing soft about this theology.

We must be on guard against a Straight-Jacket Theology.

Dr. Akin vision for the future of the SBC. The BF&M2k is a well constructed canopy for the future.

  • We need to let a biblical theology drive and determine our systematic theology.

We must have a text driven theological system. Will this force us to live with some tension? Yes.

  • We need a revival of authentic expository preaching that will lead usto the genuine people of the book.

Too much of our current preaching sounds like Harry Fosdick Emersion. Also, too many preachers follow after the latest hermaneutical circus.

  • We need the balance of a Great commission Theology.

Some Semi-Armenian friends need to become careful and better theologians. Some of my Hyper-active Calvinist friends need to get out of their office and on the mission field.

  • We need to love and respect each other as brothers and sisters in Christ even though we are not in complete agreement on every point of theology.

When Dr. Rogers died many cried, some Calvinist responded as it was an open door for Calvinism to flourish in the SBC. However, the pendulum swings both ways. Comparing Calvinism to Muslims and fatalism is not helpful in debating these points.

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A Review of; Theology of the Church

Posted by Tim Rogers on July 29, 2007
Posted in Dr. Danny AkinSBC SeminariesTheology  | 2 Comments

I have received my copy of Theology of the Church. I did not realize it, but according to Olive Press, it is the first systematic theology book published by B & H Publishing Group. I have not had the opportunity to invest the time needed to dive into the deep waters of this book, but I plan to do so soon.

If you have not received a copy, I encourage you to do so. It is a little pricey, but most academic theology books are. However, from what little I have had time to glance through it does not read like most academic books. It is by no means an easy read, but you do not need to get a degree in theology in order to understand the principles. In the mean time you may desire to follow a two part post, here and here, of an interview Dr. James Hamilton did with two of the three editors, Dr. David Nelson and Dr. Peter Schemm. Great insights for how to tackle the various disciplines needed to read such a book of this magnitude. Also, there are some suggestions of how to implement an atmosphere of theology among church members. One drawback in the interview is where Dr. Nelson makes application by illustrating how he trains his children. It got a little preachy, but Dr. Nelson is a preacher, what else should we expect? :>)

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In a letter to the Alumni of SEBTS. Dr. Danny Akin stated the following.

Dr. Danny Akin–Follow-up on SBC Convention

Along with my fellow seminary presidents, I believe the Baptist Faith and Message 2000 is a solid theological confession to guide us. It is not an exhaustive statement, but it is a sufficient statement. It, along with the Abstract of Principles, will continue to give theological direction to Southeastern. This is what our convention reaffirmed on Tuesday evening. Barry McCarty, our chief parliamentarian said to me at the airport following the Convention, there was no understanding that this motion was asking our agencies to do anything different than what we had been doing. It was a reaffirmation, not a re-direction. In that context let me say this. Your seminaries are not interested in theological witch hunts. At the same time, we will not be ostriches with our heads in the sand. If we spot a teaching that possesses a danger to our churches or will compromise our ability to fulfill the Great Commission, you can rest assured that we will withstand it with all our might.

Many are saying that the Presidents of the seminaries are not in agreement to what the EC Statement said. I say; Prove it!

I asked Dr. Akin in the SEBTS booth approximately 1 hour before the Alumni luncheon a question. I told him that as an alumni I did not desire to place any bad light on SEBTS if there were any disagreement with the conventions decision. Therefore, would it be okay if I asked him to give his understanding of the vote on the EC Statement. He responded; “I will tell you to get the video of Dr. Mohler’s report, because you will hear the same thing from me.” Also, many do not realize where Dr. Akin was during the discussion of the EC Statement statement. Allow me to tell you. He was running down the isle behind Dr. Mohler trying to get to the microphone.  Brother Robin Foster will verify that because he was sitting around the microphone they came running to.

I have called this to the attention of many because Dr. Akin’s seminary report, while focused more on what was happening at SEBTS than Dr. Mohler’s on SBTS happenings, stated the same thing about the EC Statement as Dr. Mohler’s report. However, some have stated that I just disagree with their understanding of Dr. Akin’s report.

Dr. Akin has made it clear the BF&M is a statement that is sufficient to be a guide for the SEBTS Trustees. But, you have to read the full transcript, he stated the Abstract of Principles were sufficient also. Therefore, he cannot be using the word sufficient to mean the BF&M is all that is to be used.

As we all noted with interest, Dr. Akin affirmed his position as a continualist. That is nothing that should alarm anyone. I personally hold to a different position, but Dr. Akin’s position is one of a personal belief. Therefore, the issue, when speaking of tongues, is not continuationist vs. cessassionist. Neither is the issue, when speaking of the EC Statement, Dr. Chapman’s vs. Dr. Mohler’s interpretation. The issue has always been; what will the people-in-the-pew of the SBC allow?

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