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Building Bridges–Dr. Greg Welty

Posted by Tim Rogers on November 27, 2007
Posted in CalvinismDr. Greg Welty 

+ Greg Welty – Unconditional Election and Effectual Calling

- Unconditional Election – an assertion and a denial

o God elects or chooses us for salvations – assertion

o Unconditional in that we do nothing to deserve it not based on works or faith – a denial

- Eph 1: 3-11

o Election is eternal – God is a God who chose us in Him before the foundation of the world vs. 4

o Election is personal – God chose individuals not categories or conditions vs. 4, 5, 11

o Election is grounded in God’s will – in His will to love us & fulfill his purpose for us vs. 4-7

§ In this passage, our will and what we do with it is never addressed in relation to our election

§ Election is unto holiness not because of holiness

- Romans 9

o Paul address matters of spiritual salvation

§ Uses historical examples to make spiritual points

§ Building a case for a consistent way of God for working throughout

o God’s own purpose and will are the reason for all His decisions

o Paul denies that God’s saving purposes are conditioned on how we use our will vs 16

Objections to Unconditional Election

The Bible teaches that election is on the basis of our foreseen faith–Romans 8:29, 1 Peter 1:2. According to the foreknowledge of God the Father. This interpretation is neither necessary nor plausible.

Jesus, in the sermon on the mount, says he never had a saving relationship with those he cast into damnation.

Foreknowledge is fore-love. He loves us before he even forms us–Deuteronomy 10

If God has unconditional election then that means that we do not choose God.  No.  Men and women must choose Christ.  Calvinist must not subscribe to a false dichotomy of divine choice and human choice.  The Gospel is complete with the Disciples choosing to follow Jesus.

Other Objections

Calvinism turns God into an Oger.  Calvinistic Archery.  The Critic fires arrows into false target.

If election is unconditional, it must be arbitrary.  Not necessarily.  We are inferring from our own ignorance saying that we know what God desires are for everyone.

God is the blame for people being in hell

Offer of salvation is incensere

Effectual calling amounts to cohersion.

Conclusion

Non-Calvinist reflect upon the Scripture.

Fellow Calvinists.  Distinction between a doctrine being part of the Gospel and a doctrine being the essence of the Gospel.  Spurgeons quote–Calvinism is the Gospel–can convey something unhealthy.  Do not say Arminianism denies the essence of the Gospel, but say that Calvinism brings out the grace of the Gospel.

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Open Dialog?

Posted by Tim Rogers on July 4, 2007
Posted in Ben ColeCensorDr. Al MohlerDr. Greg WeltyDr. Phil RobertsGnosticismSBC Outpost  | 18 Comments

It seems that the new and improved SBC Outpost is not only new and improved, but it is now censoring material that will not make the authors appear in a favorable light. It seems that Dr. Greg Welty posted a comment in disagreement with Brother Alan Cross’s article on Gnosticism. It seems that comment is still awaiting moderation. Read about it here.

Should we call the contributors at SBC Outpost back to their news release? Here is the money quote from that news release.

Intentionally designed as a bridge for the diverse constituencies of Southern Baptist life, SBCOutpost.com will bring together denominational executives with rural pastors and church planters, missional pastors with traditional pastors, seminary theologians with Sunday School teachers, and field missionaries with their prayer partners.

Oh, I know what it is. Could it be that bringing seminary theologians together with Sunday School teachers really is what they are trying to do, and there had been no Sunday School teachers that contributed. I do not think so. Brother Bob Cleveland commented at 7:58 am, so as a Sunday School teacher he could have been brought together with a seminary theologian. Maybe Dr. Welty’s article was harsh and delivered a character assassination toward an individual. However Brother Ben Cole at 8:41 am attacked, not only Dr. Mohler, but those that agreed with him and then turned his vitriolic pen toward Dr. Phil Roberts.

Dr. Greg Welty posted his comment at 11:42 am and it has never been released from comment moderation. I encourage you to read Dr. Welty’s comment and see for yourself this truth. If dialog is truly what those at SBC Outpost desires, then why censor dialog?

So this is journalism that reports the news? PUHLEASE !!!!

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