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When I was growing up I was taught, by my father, a very important life lesson that has stuck with me to this day.  We were in a quandary before leaving for school one morning because my oldest brother’s shinny new belt buckle could not be found.  You see we were wrestling advocates and we would get new belt buckles and wrestle for them.  My brother had purchased one and we wrestled for it but I could not win it from him.  However, when he was not looking I was able to seize upon the opportunity of seeing that it was mis-placed from him.  We just finished placing plastic on the windows to keep the cold wind out for the winter and I punctured a hole in the plastic and dropped the buckle between the plastic and screen with the thought I would get it later after everyone stopped searching.  Well, it was getting late and the school bus was coming and daddy informed us no one was going anyplace until the buckle was found. I was never accused of stealing the buckle, but I protested loudly and with great passion that I did not take it.  After some time of being interrogated by my daddy I broke and confessed I had taken it and where I placed it.  After the punishment period was over (Daddy placed me in time-out.  He said; “you sit there until I can get the leather strap”.) I spoke to daddy about the incident.  I asked how he knew I was the one who took the buckle?  He responded that I insisted too passionately that I was not the one who took it and my protesting told him that I did not want him investigating me.  While I announced I was not the one, I was announcing loudly that I did it.

It is much the same whenever one sees a statement like; “When this is done with respect for each other and devotion to God’s Word, such engagements can be tremendously profitable”.  Whenever I see a statement concerning a desire to interact with something with which one disagrees I immediately become suspicious that a negative ad hominen argument in on the horizon.  My suspicions are brought to reality in the review of Whosoever Will found in the latest Founders Journal.  The entire journal is dedicated to covering the scholarly critique of Calvinism and I want to cover briefly three reasons for my suspicions becoming reality.

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Just when one believes the Calvinist-Arminian Debate is over due to nausea induced arguments, along comes a voice of reason.  In the latest White Paper signed by Dr. Paige Patterson, Dr. David Allen, Dr. Malcolm Yarnell, Dr. Ken Keathley, Dr. Jerry Vines, Dr. Richard Land, and Dr. Steve Lemke, we have a Baptist position expressed by Baptist Theologians.  The point that appeals to this writer centers around the fact of who we are.  Whenever we modify Baptist with either Calvinist or Arminian we just left the central tenant of being a  Baptist-the Bible.  The authors of the White Paper certainly express this truth when they write;

As mission-minded and evangelistic Baptists, we are uncomfortable with moving too far beyond scriptural revelation into speculative theological models.

Dr. Vines referred to “simple biblicism” as the place we should remain with the debate.  With this in mind the White Paper reminds us there is an understanding that we have Calvinist Baptists along with Arminian Baptists within the SBC.  But, as the authors expressed:

We certainly believe that Baptists can be Calvinists and they can be Arminians, but we prefer not to allow ourselves to be defined by either of those great positions, because we see something even greater, something that deserves more attention and requires a higher allegiance. Likewise, theologians open to Molinism, such as Bruce Little and Ken Keathley, do their work with a firm commitment to evangelical Baptist convictions. What we are saying is that our own passion for God’s Word, for Christ and for His Great Commission necessarily places every desire for settling the long-running and seemingly intractable Calvinist-Arminian debate to the side. We recognize this is a debate that will continue to be held and should be held in certain restricted venues. However, the debate itself is trumped by our need to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ, to proclaim Scripture, and to obey His Great Commission. Moreover, we believe our position is the mainstream Southern Baptist position, as Richard Land said in his chapter, “the Separate Baptist Sandy Creek Tradition has been the melody for Southern Baptists, with Charleston and other traditions providing harmony” (50).

This article brings us back to the central tenet that is needed in this debate.

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Building Bridges–Dr. Ken Keathley

Posted by Tim Rogers on November 27, 2007
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I have missed Dr. Keathley. As I began, I had to leave the room. Here is the beginning. I have found out that they are doing podcast for this at lifeways website.

Sovereingty and permission as they relate to predestination.

Similarities of infralapsarian Calvinism and Molinism

Molinism–affirming divine sovereignty with genuine permission.

Olson–an Arminian rejects Molinism because it is to Calvinistic.

Supralapsarianism–the concept of permission rejected. Calvin held to double reprobation. The key to supralapsarianism is reprobation and damnation. God does not reject the reprobate because he is a sinner, but the sinner becomes a reprobate because he rejected God. Grace plays no part in the supralapsarian decree–Bruce Ware.

Most Reformed people follow the infralapsarian view.

There is a sweet lady, named Janet, sitting beside me taking meticulous notes in a word document.  She just gave me the entire outline up to Dr. Welty.  Below is the entie outline of Dr. Keathley.

+ Ken Keathley – A Molinist View of Election

-         Two essential doctrines: sovereignty and permission (given to angels and humans) our freedom is a derived freedom

-         Permission -

-         Islam – Divine sovereignty taken to the extreme

-         Process theology – permission taken to the extreme

-         Biblical truth – God sovereignty rules over people who he allows a permission

-         The similarities of infralapsarian Calvinism and Molinism

-         Question of the reprobate – God’s decision based on our rejection or His choice

-         Superlapsarians – double predestination prior to creation

-         Infralapsarians God first allowed to permit the fall, then decided to choose some to be saved

-         Molinism – high view of sovereignty with a robust understanding of permission

-         Molin – 16th century Jesuit priest

-         Calvin’s Supralapsarianism: The Concept of permission rejected

o       Reprobation – God’s rejection of an individual

§         The reprobate becomes a sinner because he rejects God

o       Damnation – God’s punishment of the individual who is reprobate

o       Election & reprobation have equal

o       Grace plays no part in the initial double decree

§         Grace does not enter the picture until God decides save the elect from the fall

-         Infralapsarianism: the attempt to blend Calvinism & permission

o       Dort – says that any attempt to lay sin at God’s feet is blasphemy

o       Refuses double predestination

o       Some aspects of God’s will with regard to evil etc. are permissive

o       Election is unconditional but reprobation is conditional

-         Problems with the Infralapsarianism position

o       It is very difficult to reconcile permission with the traditional Reformed view of sovereignty

o       The infralapsarian system is rationally inconsistent

o       The concept of permission doesn’t solve anything is reprobation is still the result of “God’s good pleasure”

-         Conclusions among Calvinists concerning infralapsarianism

o       Many supra-Calvinists dismiss the infra as incipient Arminianism

o       Some Calvinist despair of enterprise completely

o       Many Calvinists appeal to mystery

o       But there is difference between mystery and contradiction

-          Molinism: affirming both sovereignty & permission

o       2 affirmation of Molinism: Meticulous sovereignty and libertarian free will

o       God controls all things primarily by his omniscience but is not the determinative of all things

o       3 moments in Molinism

§         Counterfactual: a statement contrary to fact which still yet has truth content

§         Possible worlds: complex scenarios made up of counterfactuals

§         Natural knowledge – God knows everything that can happen, free knowledge – God sovereignly chooses what will happen to make His will , middle knowledge – God sees all the scenarios that can happen as the result of man’s free will

-         Advantages of the Molinist Approach

o       Molinism affirms the genuine desire on the part of God for al to be saved in a way that is problematic for Calvinism

o       Provides a better model for understanding how it is simultaneously true that God’s decree if election is unconditional while his rejection of the unbeliever is conditional

§         Why is the reprobate reprobate? – because God wills it (i.e. wills the world where this can occur), although it is because of the reprobate’s choice

o       In the Molinist system, unlike Arminianism, God is the author of salvation who actively elects certain one

o       Molinism has a more robust and scriptural understanding of the role God’s foreknowledge plays in election that does either Calvinism or Arminianism

o       Molinism provides a better model for understanding the biblical divine sovereignty and human responsibility

o       Molinism places mystery where it should be located, i.e. in God’s infinite attributes rather than His character

o       Molinism has a valid concept of permission that does not have to resort to special pleading

-         Molinism is a defense not a theodicy (an attempt to explain why God created the world as He did)

-         Molinism presents a forceful affirmation of both sovereignty and permission  

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