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Jun 12

6

Dr. Al Mohler–Let Us Reason Together; Can Two Walk Together…? By Tim Rogers

Posted by Tim Rogers on June 6, 2012
Posted in Baptist Faith and Message 2000 • Baptist Issues • Calvinism • Doctrine • Dr. Al Mohler • Dr. Bailey Smith • Dr. Chuck Kelley • Dr. Paige Patterson • SBC President • SBC Seminaries  | Tagged With: | 1 Comment

Dr. Albert Mohler, President of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, has released a statement concerning the movement of a group of Southern Baptist Pastors.  On May 31, 2012 a statement entitled, “A Statement of the Traditional Southern Baptist Understanding of God’s Plan of Salvation” was released to the public.  This statement was formed by a group of pastors that were concerned the majority of Southern Baptists were not represented well with the term “non-Calvinist”. We desired to positively express our position and begin a convention-wide conversation where our viewpoint would be listened to and affirmed.  As Dr. Eric Hankins said to me in one specific conversation; “if we find out that it is only you and me then we step back acknowledging we are wrong and begging the forgiveness of the convention.”  We desire to have a conversation and see this conversation produce amenable ends that will move forward the Great Commission.

A few observations concerning Dr. Mohler’s statement seem to be in order at this time.  First, Dr. Mohler’s words certainly are music to my ears.  For many years we were told there was nothing to talk about because the BF&M says all we need to say on this issue. Dr. Mohler even states as much in his response when he says;

“This means that every single Southern Baptist should be ready to work gladly with every other Southern Baptist who stands within the Baptist Faith & Message.”

It is this type of response that we are used to.  However, Dr. Mohler goes further than just hinging everything on the BF&M.  He acknowledges our concerns and even affirms our position in expressing these concerns.

Second, Dr. Mohler appears to desire a sit down.  But, whom does he desire to sit down and discuss the differences?  Dr. Patterson? Dr. Moore? Dr. Akin?  This is a group of Pastors that began this movement.  If Dr. Mohler truly desires to sit down and discuss this issue, it needs to take place, at the least, with the pastors whose names are on the document.

Third, Dr. Mohler is very affirmative in his acknowledgment of the rights we posses as individual Baptists to place our convictions on paper.  Thank you Dr. Mohler because we have seen statements from others questioning our motives in placing this before the convention.  You have not questioned our motives and for that I do thank you.

As to my position on Dr. Mohler’s statement, I would affirm him in a positive way.  He truly seems to try and acknowledge our position.  However, it is that very issue that brings a halt in my spirit in his assessment.  I hesitate to heap too many accolades on his statement for three reasons.

First his warning against “theological tribalism”. Read more

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Mar 11

9

Is It Time? Part 2

Posted by Tim Rogers on March 9, 2011
Posted in Baptism by Immersion • Baptist State Convention of North Carolina • Campbell University • Conservative Carolina Baptist • Dr. Jerry Vines • Dr. Paige Patterson • Evangelism • Mount Vernon Baptist Church • Orthodoxy • Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary • Uncategorized  | 6 Comments

As this series continues  I want to remind our readers of the prompting that brought this about.  It is based on scripture but also a life lesson found in the song of the 1978 Country Music hit by Kenny Rogers “The Gambler”.

“You got to know when to hold ‘em, know when to fold ‘em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.”

In the last post I lamented how the current leadership is not what was envisioned when I first started coming to conventions back in 1990.  Of course by 1990 the entity leaders in the convention were beginning a downhill journey as SEBTS and others were now enjoying a majority of conservative trustees.  I began at SEBTS in the fall of 1989.  We still had many of the old moderate professors teaching at the seminary and much of the administration was abandoning ship.  As a matter of fact the Admissions Director walked me personally through my interviews with the professors along with Dr. Lewis Drummond and then after telling me I was accepted into the Associate of Divinity program immediately told me he was leaving to go to Baptist Theological Seminary in Richmond, the moderate seminary that was just getting started.  Which brings me to my next point in this series.

Second, the standards that I was taught when I was in seminary. Read more

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Dec 10

7

Are Colleagues Confusing Critiques with Being Critical?

Posted by Tim Rogers on December 7, 2010
Posted in Arminianism • Baptist • Calvinism • Dr. Ken Keathley • Dr. Paige Patterson • Dr. Tom Ascoll • Dr. Tom Nettles • Founders Ministry • SBC Issues  | 19 Comments

When I was growing up I was taught, by my father, a very important life lesson that has stuck with me to this day.  We were in a quandary before leaving for school one morning because my oldest brother’s shinny new belt buckle could not be found.  You see we were wrestling advocates and we would get new belt buckles and wrestle for them.  My brother had purchased one and we wrestled for it but I could not win it from him.  However, when he was not looking I was able to seize upon the opportunity of seeing that it was mis-placed from him.  We just finished placing plastic on the windows to keep the cold wind out for the winter and I punctured a hole in the plastic and dropped the buckle between the plastic and screen with the thought I would get it later after everyone stopped searching.  Well, it was getting late and the school bus was coming and daddy informed us no one was going anyplace until the buckle was found. I was never accused of stealing the buckle, but I protested loudly and with great passion that I did not take it.  After some time of being interrogated by my daddy I broke and confessed I had taken it and where I placed it.  After the punishment period was over (Daddy placed me in time-out.  He said; “you sit there until I can get the leather strap”.) I spoke to daddy about the incident.  I asked how he knew I was the one who took the buckle?  He responded that I insisted too passionately that I was not the one who took it and my protesting told him that I did not want him investigating me.  While I announced I was not the one, I was announcing loudly that I did it.

It is much the same whenever one sees a statement like; “When this is done with respect for each other and devotion to God’s Word, such engagements can be tremendously profitable”.  Whenever I see a statement concerning a desire to interact with something with which one disagrees I immediately become suspicious that a negative ad hominen argument in on the horizon.  My suspicions are brought to reality in the review of Whosoever Will found in the latest Founders Journal.  The entire journal is dedicated to covering the scholarly critique of Calvinism and I want to cover briefly three reasons for my suspicions becoming reality.

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Sep 10

7

Clarification to the Calvinist/Arminian Debate in the SBC

Posted by Tim Rogers on September 7, 2010
Posted in Baptist • Calvinism • Dr. Jerry Vines • Dr. Ken Keathley • Dr. Malcom Yarnell • Dr. Paige Patterson • Dr. Steve Lemke • Reformed Doctrine • SBC Issues • Southern Baptist Convention • SWBTS • Theology  | 12 Comments

Just when one believes the Calvinist-Arminian Debate is over due to nausea induced arguments, along comes a voice of reason.  In the latest White Paper signed by Dr. Paige Patterson, Dr. David Allen, Dr. Malcolm Yarnell, Dr. Ken Keathley, Dr. Jerry Vines, Dr. Richard Land, and Dr. Steve Lemke, we have a Baptist position expressed by Baptist Theologians.  The point that appeals to this writer centers around the fact of who we are.  Whenever we modify Baptist with either Calvinist or Arminian we just left the central tenant of being a  Baptist-the Bible.  The authors of the White Paper certainly express this truth when they write;

As mission-minded and evangelistic Baptists, we are uncomfortable with moving too far beyond scriptural revelation into speculative theological models.

Dr. Vines referred to “simple biblicism” as the place we should remain with the debate.  With this in mind the White Paper reminds us there is an understanding that we have Calvinist Baptists along with Arminian Baptists within the SBC.  But, as the authors expressed:

We certainly believe that Baptists can be Calvinists and they can be Arminians, but we prefer not to allow ourselves to be defined by either of those great positions, because we see something even greater, something that deserves more attention and requires a higher allegiance. Likewise, theologians open to Molinism, such as Bruce Little and Ken Keathley, do their work with a firm commitment to evangelical Baptist convictions. What we are saying is that our own passion for God’s Word, for Christ and for His Great Commission necessarily places every desire for settling the long-running and seemingly intractable Calvinist-Arminian debate to the side. We recognize this is a debate that will continue to be held and should be held in certain restricted venues. However, the debate itself is trumped by our need to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ, to proclaim Scripture, and to obey His Great Commission. Moreover, we believe our position is the mainstream Southern Baptist position, as Richard Land said in his chapter, “the Separate Baptist Sandy Creek Tradition has been the melody for Southern Baptists, with Charleston and other traditions providing harmony” (50).

This article brings us back to the central tenet that is needed in this debate.

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Apr 08

18

Racism: A double-edged knife

Posted by Tim Rogers on April 18, 2008
Posted in Dr. Dwight McKissic • Dr. Paige Patterson • Executive Committee • Racism • SWBTS  | 19 Comments

One thing that happened to me when I received Christ at twenty-nine years of age was my attitude toward people of various ethnic background changed. I was extremely racist in my attitudes and thoughts and I realized a love for people of opposite skin color that I never knew existed.

There was one item that caused me considerable floundering on my racist attitude and that was the racist attitude I experienced from people of the opposite race. I did have some friends that were African American before I got saved and all I heard them speak about was getting a ‘white girl’. I saw in military service the attitudes from some African American soldiers that African American girls were not even on their radar screens. They wanted only to be with ‘white’ girls. When I got saved this was an area that God had to deal with me on and I still find myself asking forgiveness for various thoughts that come into my mind.

However, I also believe that racism is as much alive within the African American community as it is in the Anglo community. It seems that some argue that African Americans cannot be racist because to be racist you have to be in a majority and African Americans are not in a majority. I am not sure how one would define racism but I believe I will use the definition found in Websters: “a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.“

According to this definition, it seems that Senator Obama received a pass on his recent racial slur. Notice what he says about his grandmother who is Anglo.

“The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity,” he said. “But she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know. . .there’s a reaction in her that doesn’t go away and it comes out in the wrong way.“

Notice that Senator Obama fell into the classic definition of exhibiting a racial attitude. He believes, according to his statement, that because his grandmother is ‘white’ she displays certain traits that make here inferior to him. The Senator got a pass from the media on this and it seems that he has dodged this statement because I had to look to find it in a Google search.

What does that have to do with me as a Southern Baptist. It seems that Southern Baptist have taken a negative hit on racism in some of the post on the blog world. My friend and fellow blogger Bart Barber had some hurtful comments directed his way when he honestly said ‘Yes’ to the question; “Does racism exist in the SBC.” I am not one to place words in another’s mouth but what I understood Dr. Barber to say was that we all had racists thoughts to some extent. If an African American jokes that someone cannot sing or dance because they are white, then that is a racists statement. I am not offended by the statement, because I know I cannot sing or dance. I do not know if it is because I am white, but I know it just is not in me. However, after watching Dancing with the Stars, I must admit there are some dancing white boys on that program. :) I say that comical statement to point to you that the statement itself can be perceived as racist.

As we can go back and forth with the various racist statements that really are not offensive, I must confess that in Southern Baptist life I do see a place we can improve and make certain that our actions match our words. Brother Dwight McKissic pointed something out about his visit to the Executive Committee in Nashville. The highest ranking African American employed at the Executive Committee is the Head Custodian. According to the Richard Cliff at LifeWay we have 823,208 African American; 185,223 Hispanic; 75,937 Korean; and 23,743 Chinese members of our 16 million members. That means that the SBC is made up of 20% minority church members. I must admit that when I saw these numbers I was a bit embarrased that the highest ranking African American at the Executive Committee was the Head Custodian, when African Americans make up the largest minority population in the SBC.

I believe it is time for us to call on our convention leaders, in some way without developing a quota system, to bring balance to this discrepancy. Do I believe we have this imbalance because of racism? No, I do not. We all know how people get positions and it is mainly due to relationships formed in Seminary. Our seminaries have attracted mainly Anglo students. Our convention must take some blame for this. This resolution passed in 1995 certainly has not helped to recruit students to our six seminaries. I believe this correction can begin in our seminaries, in the recruitment of minority seminary students. According to this press release it seems that SWBTS is getting it. But, it must not stop there. I believe that our committees and entity heads must be open to moving minorities into various positions of leadership. I pray that as we move forward, we as a convention, will grasp that minority relations is more than just words presented at an annual meeting in the form of a resolution. We are Brothers and Sisters in Christ and we should trust the Christ living in all of those who profess Him.

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Mar 08

5

Revelation from the Dark Side

Posted by Tim Rogers on March 5, 2008
Posted in Dr. Craig Blaising • Dr. Paige Patterson • Dr. Sherri Klouda • Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary  | 33 Comments

star-wars.jpgFrom over at SBC Outpost we have had some information released to the general public. This information is open to the public now because it is part of a law suit that Dr. Sherri Klouda has filed against Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminay and her President Dr. Paige Patterson.

This information has been released in an effort to place Dr. Patterson in a bad position. Now the latest information is released to try and paint Dr. Craig Blaising as some mindless lackey employed to carry out Dr. Patterson’s endless fundamentalist desires. However, it seems that this little venture of the bombastic one has now enlightened everyone to what people have been saying all along. Dr. Bart Barber has more clearly stated it than I can, but it seems that we are now finding out that SWBTS and Dr. Patterson have not kicked anyone in the street. If you do not believe me, read it for yourself.

patterson-affidavit.pdf

blaising-affidavit.pdf

A couple of items that will reveal some discrepancies in the facts as told by the Dark Side. These “facts” that some would have you to believe are clearly spelled out in these two different affidavits. Let me give you just two examples.

First, we were told from the beginning that all of a sudden in the spring of 2006 Dr. Klouda was relieved from her position with no place to go and a sick husband to look after. You can see the position stated in this post, but to whet your appetite, here is the money quote; Through a series of broken promises that eventually led to Patterson quietly not assigning her teaching responsibilities for the fall of 2006 because of her gender, and then seeking to terminate her contract and benefits in December by 2006 (the middle of an academic cycle, and the worst possible time for an academician to find a job), this popular Hebrew professor found herself being phased out. According to both, Dr. Patterson and Dr. Blaising, she was not forced out and was given a position with the same pay and the same benefits. Dr. Klouda willingly resigned in July, 2006 to take a position at Taylors University. Some have tried to point to a reduction in position as being equivelant to a Pastor being asked to stop preaching and keep employed at the church as the janitor. This is not even close to what is being presented in Dr. Blaisings affidavit. The pastor is called to the position he holds and he is called to influence people through the pulpit ministry. Dr. Klouda expressed her call was to influence people through teaching and writing. Would one not agree that the position of Associate Director of Writing would not be within the parameters of her calling?

Second, we have been told that Dr. Patterson promised Dr. Klouda in a private meeting that she would retain her position as she was on a tenured track. Also, according to this comment, there was a plan in place to bring legal action months before it was exposed to the public through the web blogs. Also, if you look at Dr. Patterson’s affidavit, you will see that he never promised Dr. Klouda her position was guaranteed. He says in paragraph #18, “I did not give her assurance of future employment.” How much clearer can one be?

It does appear that this case is going to come down to contract law. Did Dr. Patterson promise Dr. Klouda that her position was secured? He says no and he holds to scriptural authority for his guide. She says he did, but feels free to violate scripture in order to line her pockets along with her lawyers. I think I am going to believe the one that holds to Scripture in all he does.

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Feb 08

25

A Tribute to Dr. Paige Patterson

Posted by Tim Rogers on February 25, 2008
Posted in Congressional Medal of Honor • Dr. Paige Patterson  | 61 Comments

2008-01-17-1716-43.jpgToday, Dr. Paige Patterson was in some lawyer’s conference room for a deposition. It seems that some were excited that this was a result of a constant pushing and persisting in order to humiliate and insult Dr. Patterson. However, I want to use this post to point out something that many have overlooked.

There is another Texan that took on the enemy and it was during WWII. The entire country recognized this Texan and the following is what happened as recorded in congress. Why is it recorded in congress? Because this Texan was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for bravery.

MURPHY, AUDIE L.

Rank and organization: Second Lieutenant, U.S. Army, Company B 1 5th Infantry, 3d Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Holtzwihr France, 26 January 1945. Entered service at: Dallas, Tex. Birth: Hunt County, near Kingston, Tex. G.O. No.. 65, 9 August 1945. Citation 2d Lt. Murphy commanded Company B, which was attacked by 6 tanks and waves of infantry. 2d Lt. Murphy ordered his men to withdraw to prepared positions in a woods, while he remained forward at his command post and continued to give fire directions to the artillery by telephone. Behind him, to his right, 1 of our tank destroyers received a direct hit and began to burn. Its crew withdrew to the woods. 2d Lt. Murphy continued to direct artillery fire which killed large numbers of the advancing enemy infantry. With the enemy tanks abreast of his position, 2d Lt. Murphy climbed on the burning tank destroyer, which was in danger of blowing up at any moment, and employed its .50 caliber machinegun against the enemy. He was alone and exposed to German fire from 3 sides, but his deadly fire killed dozens of Germans and caused their infantry attack to waver. The enemy tanks, losing infantry support, began to fall back. For an hour the Germans tried every available weapon to eliminate 2d Lt. Murphy, but he continued to hold his position and wiped out a squad which was trying to creep up unnoticed on his right flank. Germans reached as close as 10 yards, only to be mowed down by his fire. He received a leg wound, but ignored it and continued the single-handed fight until his ammunition was exhausted. He then made his way to his company, refused medical attention, and organized the company in a counterattack which forced the Germans to withdraw. His directing of artillery fire wiped out many of the enemy; he killed or wounded about 50. 2d Lt. Murphy’s indomitable courage and his refusal to give an inch of ground saved his company from possible encirclement and destruction, and enabled it to hold the woods which had been the enemy’s objective.

Allow me to give my wording for what I am calling the SBC in NC Christian Medal of Humility.

Leighton Paige Patterson

Rank and organization: President of Southern Baptist Entity, Southern Baptist Convention, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, Fort Worth, Texas. Place and date: World Wide as Missionaries and Pastors leave under the guidance of the Holy Spirit from now to eternity. Entered service at: an old fashioned altar. Birth: somewhere in Texas sometime before 1970.Citation President Patterson began leading Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminay in 2003, and immediately came under attack as he tried to organize the institution according to Scripture. President Patterson surrounded himself with qualified scholars and ordered these men not to defend him, but rather to do their job to the glory of God. He remained forward at his post and continued to give direction even at the peril of making himself vulnerable to the Enemy through those that felt slighted by President Patterson’s direction, as he followed his orders from the One that was before time began, through the leadership of the Holy Spirit. Behind him, to his right, was the one that loved him enough to dedicate her life as his wife. She was taking hits from the Enemy, but President Patterson maintained his sweet spirit as he defended her on his knees. She received a couple of direct hits and he rallied troops in order to protect the one he committed to protect and love as the Lord loved the church. As she strengthened and was able to stand strong, President Patterson continued to humble himself under the mighty hand of God. As the advancing Enemy’s infantry mounted more forces that once had given up the fight against God’s direction for the Southern Baptist Convention the Enemy’s tanks were abreast of his position, President Patterson was in danger of being blown up at any moment, he followed the leading of the Holy Spirit and began a campaign to bring about a much needed chapel and prayer tower. He was alone and exposed to the Enemy’s fire from 3 sides, but his courage and direction caused the Enemy’s attack to waver. The Enemy, losing ground support, began to fall back. For years the Enemy tried every available weapon to eliminate President Patterson, but he continued to hold his position and has made available to others a witness of what a Christian does when under attack. The Enemy has been as close as in his very office, through the confidante of others that were less than honest as to their motives for advancement. President Patterson received wounds, but has ignored them and continued the single-handed fight with no worry of his ammunition being exhausted. Why? He is only the vessel in the battle. President Patterson knows that he is only the vessel and God has chosen to use him at this time. President Patterson’s indomitable courage and his refusal to give an inch of ground, has in the past saved the Southern Baptist Convention from the drift into liberalism as he stood solidly on the inerrancy of Scripture. In the future President Patterson will be seen as the catalyst that has directed the Southern Baptist Convention from possible insertion of the insufficiency of Scripture and her destruction because of the ecumenical, pluralistic, doctrine that has destroyed and enabled the Enemy to fulfill that objective as has already been witnessed in other denominations.

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Oct 07

15

What is a Prophet?

Posted by Tim Rogers on October 15, 2007
Posted in Dr. Paige Patterson • Homemaking Degree • Les Puryear • SBC Seminaries • Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary  | 19 Comments

When posting my last article concerning the Homemaking Degree at SWBTS, I got side-tracked by a comment concerning the definition of a prophet of God. Brother Les Puryear began this rabbit chase with the following statement:

Please tell me that your last paragraph does not mean that Paige Patterson is always right and those who don’t think so don’t believe the Bible. Please correct my misunderstanding about what you are saying. Please!

Les

His reference was to a comment that I made as a concluding statement concerning Dr. Patterson’s leading in establishing this degree. My concluding remark is as follows:

Well, all I can say is that Dr. Paige Patterson is a true prophet according to Scripture. Therefore, if you have any gripes about Dr. Patterson not being a true prophet and you say you believe the Bible, then take it up with God. But if you do not believe that Dr. Patterson is a true prophet, then you have just told the world that you believe the Bible, but…..

The concern that Brother Les raised was not that much of a concern for me due to the past differences that he and I have had. I knew that Brother Les and I have had, and maintain, ongoing differences concerning different doctrines and personalities within SBC life. However, what caused me more concern and is the real reason for this article, comes more with the comments from others.

First, I will admit that if you take that comment out of the context of the article you have a basis for the questions from Brother Les. I must admit that I do not understand the basis but it is possible for one to read what they would like into that last paragraph. However, you must look at the entire article along with the concluding statement.

Second, there was a statement made by my, always lurking while looking for a weakness to pounce, Brother Aaron Weaver (aka Big Daddy Weave; B Diddy). He stated;

Like Les said, as it stands the paragraph does indeed suggest that The Prophet Paige, Peace Be Upon Him, is always right and those who dare dissent just need to read their Bible’s again.

Once again, if that statement were made by itself, I would understand such a response, but the statement is in context of the Homemaking degree being on the cutting edge of education. Even, my Brother BDW gives me the benefit of the doubt.

Having said all of this let us look at a Biblical understanding of the Prophets. Is there a basic understanding that a Prophet was always right in everything he/she did or said? The answer to that would be a resounding no! There has never been any instance in the Old or New Testament that a Prophet was 100% correct in everything he/she did or said. One cannot find Scripture to support that line of thinking without doing hermeneutic gymnastics. What one can find Scripture to support is the Prophet’s voice of direction, when ordained by the True God, will come to fruition. If the Prophet spoke and said it was of God and did not come to fruition, then it was revealed to be a false prophecy. If the person continually gave false direction that he/she said came from God, then they were revealed as a false Prophet.

Also, one needs to remember that during Old Testament and New Testament times, the cannon was not closed. Thus, God was continuing to give new revelation. How did He give this new revelation? Through the Prophets. This is the reason for the Deuteronomy 18 and 1 John 4 guidelines concerning the discernment between true and false revelation. The question at hand concerns the overview of these passages. Do these passages mean that everything a prophet says is scripture? Or, do they mean that the only time a prophet speaks saying it is coming from God, then it is scriptural? I submit to you it means the latter. Do these passages mean that since the cannon is closed then we no longer have the gift of prophecy today? Leaving the continuationist and cessassionist arguments aside, suffice it to say that it is rare that a cessassionist has to argue for the continuation of a gift against some that have professed to be continuationist. But, suffice it also to say, that while I do believe the office of Prophet is no longer needed, the principle of the Prophet is still very much needed.

However, some have tried to paint me as saying in my last article that Dr. Patterson is above criticism and is infallible. Something I have never said. The Prophets of Scripture were mere mortal men and women that were fallible and prone to the same temptations as you and I. Being referenced as a prophet did not mean that you attained any mystical status with no sin in your life. As I read the Bible I am drawn to the fact that the reason these prophets were not considered prophets in their day was for the reason they were not in any mystical sense different. Many viewed the pagan prophets in mystical sense and thus the children of Israel had to be given the guidelines before they went into the Promised Land. You can look throughout scripture to find many Prophets of God that had huge failures. Jonah is one that comes to mind. Also, if I needed advice on how to raise children Eli would not be a Prophet I would choose for that kind of council. Furthermore, I do not believe you will find in the Bible any place that Jeremiah, Isaiah, Hosea, Malachi, or any other prophet was without sin and did in fact sin and make various mistakes. But when God spoke through the Prophet, or the Prophet spoke for God, whichever semantic you chose to use, it was proven to be truthful.

Therefore, in my last post I do not intend to change anything that was written. For the simple reason that I have not expressed what some are trying to say that I have expressed. As I said, if you desire to pull that last paragraph away from the post and try to make it stand alone, be my guest. That is not what I am saying. However, if you keep the paragraph attached to the post, then you have to admit that Dr. Patterson has stated he believes God has led in beginning this course because there is a huge need for it in the society from which we are getting our students. Now the secular world has affirmed this truth so Dr. Patterson, no doubt, is hearing from God concerning the need. When the secular world addresses a need that is rampant among today’s society, they are lauded as being on the cutting edge. When the Christian world tries to address the same need that is rampant in the Christian community, the ones leading the way are maligned as backwards and stuck in the 1950′s. Go figure!

Dr. Paige Patterson has proven to be a Prophet addressing a need in a non-profit world. What a refreshing wind that is blowing out of SWBTS. Dr. Patterson is speaking prophetically the direction that he senses the Holy Spirit of God is leading him and not responding to the negative issues that come out trying to derail his vision.

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Oct 07

11

Dr. Paige Patterson–Prophet of the One True God or False Prophet?

Posted by Tim Rogers on October 11, 2007
Posted in Ben Cole • Dr. Paige Patterson • Homemaking Degree • Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary  | 32 Comments

The Bible gives us guides as to how we may determine a false prophet. In Deuteronomy 18:21-22 the Bible says; “You may say to yourself, ‘How can we recognize a message the Lord has not spoken?’ When a prophet speaks in the Lord’s name, and the message does not come true or is not fulfilled, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.” Which brings me to Dr. Patterson.Dr. Paige Patterson is a visionary and a prophet of God. Everyone knows the stands he took and the shots he endured during the Conservative Resurgence.

Thus, everyone knows that he can see a direction that he believes God is leading and he knows how to lead us down that road. Dr. Patterson has made it abundantly clear during the question period of his SWBTS Report in San Antonio that he believes a degree that specializes in Homemaking is needed in the life of Southern Baptist today. He has been painted in a very disparaging way over his conviction. However, Dr. Patterson has openly stated that we are living in a day when the family and the home has been neglected.  I have whole-heartedly supported him in his leadership at SWBTS. So, can you imagine my surprised delight as I picked up my local news paper and saw this headline? “A BRAND NEW DAY: Home Economics classes get more specific and more popular”

What backwoods Baptist preacher has infiltrated another of our elite SBC seminaries with his complimentarian ideology and his literalist theology? Oh, my dear reader, this is not a SBC Seminary. This is a public high school here in the town where I minister.
Read the article that I have linked above and you will find that our public school system seems to be concerned that we are turning out young ladies that do not know how to sew. How archaic can one get? What difference does it make whether the young ladies that graduate know how to sew or even cook? As you peruse the article you will find that the most popular courses offered are Foods I (how to plan and cook a meal) along with Apparel Development (sewing, shut my mouth) and Early Childhood (raising children).

Mr. Steve Hill the Executive Director of Secondary/Career and Technical Education for Iredell-Statesville Schools, gives us (as my bombastic Baptist Brother Ben would say) the money quote: “It’s important we graduate students who have a well-rounded basic education and it’s important they’ve had an opportunity to explore careers they may be interested in.”

Well, all I can say is that Dr. Paige Patterson is a true prophet according to Scripture. Therefore, if you have any gripes about Dr. Patterson not being a true prophet and you say you believe the Bible, then take it up with God. But if you do not believe that Dr. Patterson is a true prophet, then you have just told the world that you believe the Bible, but…..

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