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		<title>Comment on What are the Guidelines and Where can We Read Them?&#8211;By Tim Rogers&#8211;UPDATED by Tim Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 21:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It could just be me, but for the life of me I cannot find these guidelines any place.  If William or Dave Miller would help me out I would appreciate it. </description>
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		<title>Comment on A Step to Bridging the Divide in the SBC&#8211;By Tim Rogers by Tim Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 01:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Bob,

You have brought multiple issues into this that is not even covered.  I cannot help what kids do when they run off to college.  I can&#039;t help what people do when they do something that they feel was an emotional experience only.  What I can do is speak clearly against the absolute false position that a sinners prayer is &quot;damning&quot; and superstitious.  The prayer someone prays when they are convicted by the Holy Spirit of their sins is a prayer that acknowledges to our Lord their need for him as a savior.  God does not save by osmosis He saves because of what he has done and the sinner freely responds. The response is a prayer of repentance, or better known the &#039;sinner&#039;s prayer&#039;.  If a sinner refuses to respond then God does not save.  Any other position about God&#039;s salvation would be God dragging sinners into Heaven kicking and screaming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Bob,</p>
<p>You have brought multiple issues into this that is not even covered.  I cannot help what kids do when they run off to college.  I can&#8217;t help what people do when they do something that they feel was an emotional experience only.  What I can do is speak clearly against the absolute false position that a sinners prayer is &#8220;damning&#8221; and superstitious.  The prayer someone prays when they are convicted by the Holy Spirit of their sins is a prayer that acknowledges to our Lord their need for him as a savior.  God does not save by osmosis He saves because of what he has done and the sinner freely responds. The response is a prayer of repentance, or better known the &#8216;sinner&#8217;s prayer&#8217;.  If a sinner refuses to respond then God does not save.  Any other position about God&#8217;s salvation would be God dragging sinners into Heaven kicking and screaming.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Step to Bridging the Divide in the SBC&#8211;By Tim Rogers by Bob Cleveland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Cleveland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know as I would have said it the way David Platt did, but then nobody&#039;s asking me to come speak at their churches or their meetings, either. And I&#039;m glad he did say it, too.


I&#039;m not sure about the superstitious part, but we&#039;ve been telling kids to ask Jesus &quot;into their hearts&quot; when they didn&#039;t understand what that meant, for years, with really questionable long-term results. I think surveys amongst kids who run off to college have shown that. But my real concern is for kids who &quot;ask Jesus into their hearts&quot; when they don&#039;t comprehend that they are sinners, that Jesus died to atone for their sins, and that if they will trust Jesus to forgive their sins and take them to heaven when they die, he&#039;ll save them. I didn&#039;t know anything about the heart thing, but I knew about that last part when I was about 9, and that&#039;s the part that still keeps me going.
And come to think of it, I haven&#039;t led someone in the &quot;sinner&#039;s prayer&quot; in years, either. I just ask them why they want to be saved, then how they want to be saved, and then tell them they need to tell it to God, so go ahead and let&#039;s pray. That&#039;s led to some really beautiful times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know as I would have said it the way David Platt did, but then nobody&#8217;s asking me to come speak at their churches or their meetings, either. And I&#8217;m glad he did say it, too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about the superstitious part, but we&#8217;ve been telling kids to ask Jesus &#8220;into their hearts&#8221; when they didn&#8217;t understand what that meant, for years, with really questionable long-term results. I think surveys amongst kids who run off to college have shown that. But my real concern is for kids who &#8220;ask Jesus into their hearts&#8221; when they don&#8217;t comprehend that they are sinners, that Jesus died to atone for their sins, and that if they will trust Jesus to forgive their sins and take them to heaven when they die, he&#8217;ll save them. I didn&#8217;t know anything about the heart thing, but I knew about that last part when I was about 9, and that&#8217;s the part that still keeps me going.<br />
And come to think of it, I haven&#8217;t led someone in the &#8220;sinner&#8217;s prayer&#8221; in years, either. I just ask them why they want to be saved, then how they want to be saved, and then tell them they need to tell it to God, so go ahead and let&#8217;s pray. That&#8217;s led to some really beautiful times.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Have We Officially Created another CBF?&#8211;By Tim Rogers by Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 10:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While many people call the Confederate Battle Flag the Stars and Bars this is actually incorrect. The Stars and Bars had a blue canton in the left upper corner with the number of Confederate states represented by white stars and 3 bars;red, white, red taking up the rest of the flag.It was adopted in 1861. The Battle Flag was first square in design. It was adopted by the Confederate Army of the Potomac after the Battle of Manassas in 1861.This was because the Stars and Bars looked like the U.S. flag at a distance or when there was no breeze or it was obscured by smoke during battle.The rectangular version did not exist until 1863 and then as a naval jack. The Army of Tennessee had a somewhat rectangular version of the Battle Flag adopted in 1864 (or late 1863) but it was not as perfect a rectangle as flags made today are. Just a little food for historical thought.

I find it quite funny that the SBC would consider a name change at this late date. Whenever I have read the arguments for it the unsaid but clear intent is to trick people who don&#039;t go and WON&#039;T  go to a SBC into going to one(albeit with a different name). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While many people call the Confederate Battle Flag the Stars and Bars this is actually incorrect. The Stars and Bars had a blue canton in the left upper corner with the number of Confederate states represented by white stars and 3 bars;red, white, red taking up the rest of the flag.It was adopted in 1861. The Battle Flag was first square in design. It was adopted by the Confederate Army of the Potomac after the Battle of Manassas in 1861.This was because the Stars and Bars looked like the U.S. flag at a distance or when there was no breeze or it was obscured by smoke during battle.The rectangular version did not exist until 1863 and then as a naval jack. The Army of Tennessee had a somewhat rectangular version of the Battle Flag adopted in 1864 (or late 1863) but it was not as perfect a rectangle as flags made today are. Just a little food for historical thought.</p>
<p>I find it quite funny that the SBC would consider a name change at this late date. Whenever I have read the arguments for it the unsaid but clear intent is to trick people who don&#8217;t go and WON&#8217;T  go to a SBC into going to one(albeit with a different name). </p>
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		<title>Comment on Have We Officially Created another CBF?&#8211;By Tim Rogers by Dwight McKissic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwight McKissic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 23:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Tim,

Interesting and informative post. Classic and vintage--the one and only Tim Rogers--on display here. NOLA will be historic and possibly a defining moment in more ways than one. Look forward to seeing you there.

Dwight </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Tim,</p>
<p>Interesting and informative post. Classic and vintage&#8211;the one and only Tim Rogers&#8211;on display here. NOLA will be historic and possibly a defining moment in more ways than one. Look forward to seeing you there.</p>
<p>Dwight </p>
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		<title>Comment on Have We Officially Created another CBF?&#8211;By Tim Rogers by Tim Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeb,

Here is the problem with your analogy.  Our SB M&#039;s are not planting churches the people in the area are planting them. Thus the churches being planted are not SB churches they are Baptist churches affiliated with the convention of whatever nation the churches are located.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeb,</p>
<p>Here is the problem with your analogy.  Our SB M&#8217;s are not planting churches the people in the area are planting them. Thus the churches being planted are not SB churches they are Baptist churches affiliated with the convention of whatever nation the churches are located.  </p>
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		<title>Comment on Have We Officially Created another CBF?&#8211;By Tim Rogers by Tim Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Les,

That ship sailed when the EC accepted the presentation.  Dr. Wright, I believe, presented the recommendation to the EC based on the report and someone on the EC seconded the recommendation and then voted it in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Les,</p>
<p>That ship sailed when the EC accepted the presentation.  Dr. Wright, I believe, presented the recommendation to the EC based on the report and someone on the EC seconded the recommendation and then voted it in.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Have We Officially Created another CBF?&#8211;By Tim Rogers by Tim Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 22:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Brother Jeb,

Once again you and I agree, somewhat. :)  Here is the rub I have with even changing from &quot;Southern Baptist&quot; as a name.  First, while we certainly are &quot;International&quot; in our vision, we are no &quot;international&quot; in our &quot;scope&quot;.  Name me one &quot;Southern Baptist&quot; church outside the borders of the US.  That is what I mean.  In 1845 the first thing they voted on in Augusta, Georgia was to put in place two mission boards, The FMB and the HMB. (Not sure of the names but they organized two mission boards) Second, Southern Baptist theology and doctrine is unique to SB.  We have always had cessassionists, Calvinists, and even Charismatics, but the convention has never been exclusively, cessassionists, Calvinists, or Charismatics.  Our theology has always been unique to Southern Baptists. We have been a mix of people but one thing we have always agreed on and that is a theology that maintains scripture as the only sufficient rule that drives us, Baptism by immersion after salvation, soul competency, and priesthood of believers. Not just any Baptist will accept these principles.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Brother Jeb,</p>
<p>Once again you and I agree, somewhat. <img src='http://pastortimrogers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Here is the rub I have with even changing from &#8220;Southern Baptist&#8221; as a name.  First, while we certainly are &#8220;International&#8221; in our vision, we are no &#8220;international&#8221; in our &#8220;scope&#8221;.  Name me one &#8220;Southern Baptist&#8221; church outside the borders of the US.  That is what I mean.  In 1845 the first thing they voted on in Augusta, Georgia was to put in place two mission boards, The FMB and the HMB. (Not sure of the names but they organized two mission boards) Second, Southern Baptist theology and doctrine is unique to SB.  We have always had cessassionists, Calvinists, and even Charismatics, but the convention has never been exclusively, cessassionists, Calvinists, or Charismatics.  Our theology has always been unique to Southern Baptists. We have been a mix of people but one thing we have always agreed on and that is a theology that maintains scripture as the only sufficient rule that drives us, Baptism by immersion after salvation, soul competency, and priesthood of believers. Not just any Baptist will accept these principles.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Have We Officially Created another CBF?&#8211;By Tim Rogers by Les Puryear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les Puryear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polity-speaking, the Name Change committee is an illegal committee with no authority to recommend anything. Someone needs to stand up for a point of order and asked that the committee and it&#039;s recommendation be ruled out of order. I cannot. E there or I would do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polity-speaking, the Name Change committee is an illegal committee with no authority to recommend anything. Someone needs to stand up for a point of order and asked that the committee and it&#8217;s recommendation be ruled out of order. I cannot. E there or I would do it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Have We Officially Created another CBF?&#8211;By Tim Rogers by Jeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 20:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is so interesting watching all this from the outside.  I agree with you that the leaders really don&#039;t seem to know what they are doing with this.  They either need to change the name or leave it.  This unofficial nickname stuff is nonsense and will only breed confusion and more bickering.  &quot;Great Commission Baptists&quot; is also a dumb name, in my opinion.

I actually do agree that the SBC should change its name.  The regional sound of it is a barrier to expansion in non-southern areas.  I don&#039;t think the racism thing is much of an issue anymore, so I wouldn&#039;t necessarily factor that in.  But no one in New York or California wants to go to a &quot;southern&quot; Baptist Church, and it makes even less sense overseas.  &quot;International Baptists&quot; sounds better to me personally and reflects the desire of the SBC to spread the gospel around the world.  I&#039;m also a big root beer fan, so having the SBC become the IBC just makes me happy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so interesting watching all this from the outside.  I agree with you that the leaders really don&#8217;t seem to know what they are doing with this.  They either need to change the name or leave it.  This unofficial nickname stuff is nonsense and will only breed confusion and more bickering.  &#8220;Great Commission Baptists&#8221; is also a dumb name, in my opinion.</p>
<p>I actually do agree that the SBC should change its name.  The regional sound of it is a barrier to expansion in non-southern areas.  I don&#8217;t think the racism thing is much of an issue anymore, so I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily factor that in.  But no one in New York or California wants to go to a &#8220;southern&#8221; Baptist Church, and it makes even less sense overseas.  &#8220;International Baptists&#8221; sounds better to me personally and reflects the desire of the SBC to spread the gospel around the world.  I&#8217;m also a big root beer fan, so having the SBC become the IBC just makes me happy!</p>
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